What do we want for our men’s basketball program

certainly others prioritize maximizing their earnings. many will never get paid to play again. it's a one time chance to get a bag.
Understood and this type of player isn’t playing for me and admissions isn’t interested in this type of player either. I get we are talking about winning basketball games, but there are schools focused on learning and schools focused on sports. Let the money chasers go to the sports only ones. If a freshman comes with his hand out that tells me all I need to know. Transfers are a slightly different story because at least you know more about if the player can produce or not. A graduate transfer that is exactly what your team needs then sure, but otherwise going to be a tough sell to admissions.
 
JOC should have retired about a decade ago. He and Mooney are both clock punchers collecting a check, but not bringing great value to their respective employers.

That said, JOC knows that if he dare ask Mooney a critiquing question about his team or his coaching, that Mooney will get all surly on him and reduce the limited access he has. So, JOC writes some puff piece, BS, that no one could possibly care about, instead of you know, asking real journalistic questions that fans of UR want to know about the team and Mooney's coaching of it.

This is just one of the reasons why we call this the best job in the country. No hard questions, no expectations, no accountability both internally from Mooney and externally from the one media source that consistently pays attention to our MBB team.
 
Yes and before you ask he's in the VA Reporting/Columnist Hall of Fame.
As 97 points out, JOC dared to challenge moon Once. Once. Not sure why he backed off, but I get it was likely a job security type of thing. But no, despite his overall HOF credentials the coverage of Spiders basketball has been mundane and regurgitated over the years.
 
JOC should have retired about a decade ago. He and Mooney are both clock punchers collecting a check, but not bringing great value to their respective employers.

That said, JOC knows that if he dare ask Mooney a critiquing question about his team or his coaching, that Mooney will get all surly on him and reduce the limited access he has. So, JOC writes some puff piece, BS, that no one could possibly care about, instead of you know, asking real journalistic questions that fans of UR want to know about the team and Mooney's coaching of it.

This is just one of the reasons why we call this the best job in the country. No hard questions, no expectations, no accountability both internally from Mooney and externally from the one media source that consistently pays attention to our MBB team.
Yes, when your flagship is named the UR Mediocrity, no one else cares either.
 
I am glad JOC provides dedicated coverage for UR athletics. What better person than someone who wore a Spiders uniform in their time at U of R. That being said, that access is also probably controlled by athletics and they put out some of the crumbs for narratives. Remember when football was dominated several years straight by JMU ? A story was written about how could small U of R compete with the large state schools like JMU with all their resources. I heard the same thing from some other people around U of R athletics. Now after a crushing defeat to St. Louis this type story comes out.
 
Understood and this type of player isn’t playing for me and admissions isn’t interested in this type of player either. I get we are talking about winning basketball games, but there are schools focused on learning and schools focused on sports. Let the money chasers go to the sports only ones. If a freshman comes with his hand out that tells me all I need to know. Transfers are a slightly different story because at least you know more about if the player can produce or not. A graduate transfer that is exactly what your team needs then sure, but otherwise going to be a tough sell to admissions.
you absolutely need to offer NIL to every incoming men's basketball freshmen at our level. can't compete if you don't. you can't expect a good student/good athlete incoming freshman to choose UR over other good schools just because we have a pretty campus.
 
JOC should have retired about a decade ago. He and Mooney are both clock punchers collecting a check, but not bringing great value to their respective employers.

That said, JOC knows that if he dare ask Mooney a critiquing question about his team or his coaching, that Mooney will get all surly on him and reduce the limited access he has. So, JOC writes some puff piece, BS, that no one could possibly care about, instead of you know, asking real journalistic questions that fans of UR want to know about the team and Mooney's coaching of it.

This is just one of the reasons why we call this the best job in the country. No hard questions, no expectations, no accountability both internally from Mooney and externally from the one media source that consistently pays attention to our MBB team.
Comfort, lack of accountability, continued access...all threads of the fabric that make up UR men's basketball. At this point the program has become Mooney. How can we as fans really trust the self-scouting when there are never any new ideas introduced? Comfort: that certainly describes an athletic director who appears to be running out the clock to retirement on UR's dime. Access: Our biggest known booster seems to be enamored with his relationship/access with the head coach, hence no desire to move on from said head coach and hire someone who could possibly take little ole UR to something better than a 55 percent winning percentage. Other than that all is well.
 
To me, it doesn't matter what type of great talent joins the team- it won't matter since they will be stuck in the same old offensive system- no offensive rebounding, big man 25 feet from the basket, one shot and done. This is why I have lost interest in the men's basketball program. Who can blame the players when they are stuck in the same old system. Who cares about the portal or recruiting?
 
you absolutely need to offer NIL to every incoming men's basketball freshmen at our level. can't compete if you don't. you can't expect a good student/good athlete incoming freshman to choose UR over other good schools just because we have a pretty campus.
Not sure where you got the impression that I thought no NIL should be paid. What I said was if the player was not interested in academic pursuits then I wasn’t interested in that player. I think all of UR’s NIL should have a “years at UR” element - the longer you stay the higher your payment becomes. There are obviously other levers other than tenure, so a practice player is not paid more than an on court contributor of course.

I am simply saying if a player is chasing dollars then it isn’t worth investing any time in that player to me.
 
it’s truly baffling when the narrative contradicts itself too. For our mens team: attendance right now is 4th in A10, our arena/practice facility is definitely top 5 in A10, and our NIL/house settlement is definitely top half. Maybe someone here can find it, but there was a report 1-2 years ago that showed spending on basketball by A10 school and Richmond was top 5 or 6 there too.

Then this question of whether Richmond can compete is not asked on the women’s team. All A10 teams have NIL for women too, yet not only is our women’s team not underperforming, they are excelling and playing like a P4 team. So we can’t pick and choose just to fit a narrative. This is obvious to everyone and I hope something Hardt/PQ recognize.
 
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Not sure where you got the impression that I thought no NIL should be paid. What I said was if the player was not interested in academic pursuits then I wasn’t interested in that player. I think all of UR’s NIL should have a “years at UR” element - the longer you stay the higher your payment becomes. There are obviously other levers other than tenure, so a practice player is not paid more than an on court contributor of course.

I am simply saying if a player is chasing dollars then it isn’t worth investing any time in that player to me.
we're never going to recruit a kid that isn't a good student so that's not an issue. not sure where to draw the line if a kid tells you he's been offered $xxx,xxx somewhere else. Is he a kid chasing dollars, or just giving you information?

I'm against the "years at UR" element that Mooney once talked about. to me, each year when the season ends you sit down and figure how much you want/need to pay a kid. you have a budget. a kid's market value changes based on the year he had and his perceived future value. there's no reason to give a kid an increase for staying if his market value went down. in fact, if you see a reduced role and have alternatives on the roster, he gets less the next year. everyone doesn't get a trophy.
 
One last point I want to say about JOC’s recent article because it legitimately irked me lol, is that things written or said by other media like Bob Black or Matt Smith on broadcasts are different. They are hired by UR and of course will always have a positive spin on things. I expect that, but for JOC, he’s supposedly independent and shouldn’t be influenced by that. He’s probably going to retire soon, so now if anything should be the time to ask our admin the tough questions without worry of repercussions.

So my final plea and point to this for now is to JOC directly. John, if you read this forum and see this, I think I speak for all of us when I say we would love to get answers to the questions we all have — even if it means asking challenging ones. If Mooney and co don’t want to answers, that shouldn’t preclude you from writing about it anyway. For instance, when we got our abysmal schedule second year in a row, rather than writing about the same talking points that came from admin about how hard it is for mid majors to schedule, inquire why the majority of other A10 teams had a good schedule with P4 teams like Davidson. Maybe we’re wrong, look into the analytics about the SOS and NETs of teams played and see where UR stacks up. Journalism is about asking those hard questions and presenting the facts.

Write about the fact UR has had 3 NCAAs in 21 years. Is that acceptable? Write about our success the last few years and ask why we can’t reproduce this on a consistent basis like the women’s team can. It can point out the good and point out the bad. Mention the emphasis we had on rebounding and more aggression at the beginning of the season, but also ask why we deviated from that.

Ask what has changed this year as opposed to other years and why it was harder for the men’s team to schedule good games but not the women’s team. With NIL, do research and tell us how UR stacks up analytically with the rest of the A10 in terms of NIL, revenue, facility enhancements, etc before making vague statements about NIL. Look what else those programs do differently than we do. Look at recent performances we’ve had and ask why teams can stop our offense with a zone or why our defensive numbers are worse now than a long time under Mooney.

No one is saying this has to be harsh of the program or complimentary of the program. Things can be asked about in a respectful and honest way. What it should be is objective, looking at the data, and asking critical questions that people want asked and that we all see ourselves. No one wants these random post about Mooney’s thoughts on gambling or how the university, which has supported him plenty over the years, can support him even more. At least not right now.
 
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One last point I want to say about JOC’s recent article because it legitimately irked me lol, is that things written or said by other media like Bob Black or Matt Smith on broadcasts are different. They are hired by UR and of course will always have a positive spin on things. I expect that, but for JOC, he’s supposedly independent and shouldn’t be influenced by that. He’s probably going to retire soon, so now if anything should be the time to ask our admin the tough questions without worry of repercussions.

So my final plea and point to this for now is to JOC directly. John, if you read this forum and see this, I think I speak for all of us when I say we would love to get answers to the questions we all have — even if it means asking challenging ones. If Mooney and co don’t want to answers, that shouldn’t preclude you from writing about it anyway. For instance, when we got our abysmal schedule second year in a row, rather than writing about the same talking points that came from admin about how hard it is for mid majors to schedule, inquire why the majority of other A10 teams had a good schedule with P4 teams like Davidson. Maybe we’re wrong, look into the analytics about the SOS and NETs of teams played and see where UR stacks up. Journalism is about asking those hard questions and presenting the facts.

Write about the fact UR has had 3 NCAAs in 21 years. Is that acceptable? Write about our success the last few years and ask why we can’t reproduce this on a consistent basis like the women’s team can. It can point out the good and point out the bad. Mention the emphasis we had on rebounding and more aggression at the beginning of the season, but also ask why we deviated from that.

Ask what has changed this year as opposed to other years and why it was harder for the men’s team to schedule good games but not the women’s team. With NIL, do research and tell us how UR stacks up analytically with the rest of the A10 in terms of NIL, revenue, facility enhancements, etc before making vague statements about NIL. Look what else those programs do differently than we do. Look at recent performances we’ve had and ask why teams can stop our offense with a zone or why our defensive numbers are worse now than a long time under Mooney.

No one is staying this has to be harsh of the program or complimentary of the program. Things can be asked about in a respectful and honest way. What should be is objective, looking at the data, and asking critical questions that people want asked and that we all see ourselves. No one wants these random post about Mooney’s thoughts on gambling or how the university, which has supported him plenty over the years, can support him even more. At least not right now.
Your paragraph 2 intro - "So my final plea and point to this for now is to JOC directly. John, if you read this forum and see this, I think I speak for all of us when I say we would love to get answers to the questions we all have — even if it means asking challenging ones."

My response - That's an admirable post, however I'd be shocked if you or we get the responses and answers you (we) desire. I'll bet there's a 99 pct chance the questions are never asked.
 
it’s truly baffling when the narrative contradicts itself too. For our ments team: attendance right now is 4th in A10, our arena/practice facility is definitely top 5 in A10, and our NIL/house settlement is definitely top half. Maybe someone here can find it, but there was a report 1-2 years ago that showed spending on basketball by A10 school and Richmond was top 5 or 6 there too.

Then this question of whether Richmond can compete is not asked on the women’s team. All A10 teams have NIL for women too, yet not only is our women’s team not underperforming, they are excelling and playing like a P4 team. So we can’t pick and choose just to fit a narrative. This is obvious to everyone and I hope something Hardt/PQ recognize.
Not only that but the women's A10 is better than the men's with more likely NCAA teams.
 
Not only that but the women's A10 is better than the men's with more likely NCAA teams.
Probably won’t end up better, but the completion level is at least comparable. Many A10 Women’s programs are rising in talent level to make the Women’s side have a good possibility of multiple bids.
 
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