I can't believe how bad we have become as a program. I really never thought I would see it get this bad. Unless a miracle happens and we get a new coach, we have nothing to look forward to next year. We know our schedule is gonna suck, our team will suck, and our coaching will suck. And, to make it somehow worse than that, we will have to listen to more excuses next year. We have become irrelevant, and if not already, are passing irrelevant into embarrassing status.
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Eight Legger
Starter
Welcome to the dark side, my friend. It sucks being here, but nothing you said is wrong.
MrTbone
All A-10 player
It actually would be hard to have a worse ooc next year. But anything is possible, especially with scads of D2/D3 teams out there.
SpiderTrue
Walk-on
That's fair but I believe a distinction should be made between normal fans and fans who are actively rooting for the team that they support to lose.
But that's just me
Eight Legger
Starter
I support the program. Or what used to be a program but is now just a team. Mooney has given us no reason to believe that he will suddenly turn things around after 2 years of awful performances in the new NIL era, so yes, I am rooting for us to lose these next two games so that we finish with a losing record and the people in charge cannot help but take notice.
The path forward for the type of program I want us to be will not occur with Mooney as coach, so I support whatever results in him leaving or being fired.
The path forward for the type of program I want us to be will not occur with Mooney as coach, so I support whatever results in him leaving or being fired.
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Gkiller
Bench player
And just to reiterate for SpiderTrue that doesn’t mean u r not a normal fan. Most would say a smart, realistic fan. Again there r many examples of fans rooting against their teams. Can u imagine Colts fans who would have lost out on Peyton Manning bc they won a meaningless game. Or all those bad abnormal Alabama fans who ended up with Nick Saban to replace Mike Shula. They should never get to say Roll Tide ever again.
Urmite
Starter
I would agree with SpiderTrue if they were rooting for losses in November not March.
Personally I can’t root against them, but instead take a highly skeptical Missouri motto stance…
"normal"That's fair but I believe a distinction should be made between normal fans and fans who are actively rooting for the team that they support to lose.
But that's just me
What's normal for one person may not be normal for another. These are not what should be considered "normal" times for UR basketball, but after 21 years of "whatever THIS is & especially after these last 2 years of utter failure", I suspect this is the long term "norm". And that "norm" is unacceptable unless your acceptable baseline is a 55 pct mediocrity.
brooklyn brownstone
Starter
I doubt most here want the Spiders to actively lose any given game. Of course there will be a few who are so done with Moon. But as a mass group we root for wins. We've been rooting for 1 or 50 years. But for 21 years, the winning has been mediocre at best. We want more.
Thus most of us want change, which generally at UR only comes about through very poor results. Though Moon has some kind of John Gotti teflon working for him, so there is no guarantee anything will ever be a trigger for change.
It's a real catch 22.
Personally, I root for wins, but the losses don't sting the way they did in the past, partially because of a small glimmer of hope that there could be a silver lining from them.
Thus most of us want change, which generally at UR only comes about through very poor results. Though Moon has some kind of John Gotti teflon working for him, so there is no guarantee anything will ever be a trigger for change.
It's a real catch 22.
Personally, I root for wins, but the losses don't sting the way they did in the past, partially because of a small glimmer of hope that there could be a silver lining from them.
*23*
Assistant coach
Yep agree. And while I cheer for our players to win, when we won the A10 tourney and beat Iowa in the dance I also had the sick feeling that we bought ourselves several more years with Mooney. I called it the "poison pill" , it looked and tasted good, but after we swallowed it we just keep getting sicker and killing the program. Heck, even back then we had more folks supporting Mooney. Now we just get the randos. Not many true fake fans of the board trying to defend moon anymore.
MrTbone
All A-10 player
I have become numb to losing, this is a terrible place to be as a fan. I don’t root for us to lose, I’m not waiving a banner nor do I openly cheer for whoever the opponent of the day is.
I am a fan of the program, not of the coach. I’d argue that makes me a better fan than those who want the status quo.
I am a fan of the program, not of the coach. I’d argue that makes me a better fan than those who want the status quo.
No one wants the team they root for to lose. Which is exactly why there are so many people on this Forum who want a new coach.
Mooney continually loses to the cross town rival. In the last two years, the team has not only had a losing A10 record, but also has lost twice as many HOME conference games as wins.
The argument seems to be that he “can win”, but that has been far from consistent. I don’t know Mooney and I am sure he is a nice person, but as a coach he is not delivering. He is what he is and doesn’t want to change, but the game has changed and he simply is the wrong person for the job. He has been a given plenty of chances and the length of his tenure may never be surpassed. But the time for change is here. It is that simple.
Mooney continually loses to the cross town rival. In the last two years, the team has not only had a losing A10 record, but also has lost twice as many HOME conference games as wins.
The argument seems to be that he “can win”, but that has been far from consistent. I don’t know Mooney and I am sure he is a nice person, but as a coach he is not delivering. He is what he is and doesn’t want to change, but the game has changed and he simply is the wrong person for the job. He has been a given plenty of chances and the length of his tenure may never be surpassed. But the time for change is here. It is that simple.
carolinaspider
Bench player
I too root for this team to ALWAYS win, but the last two years have drained my enthusiasm
and when I listen to the post game tone from our coach, I am drained further. We don’t have game
changers like Jordan King, though AA could be that person eventually. Lopez is our main threat but
he cannot do it all. CM has not shown me we can recruit at the level needed to be CONSISTENTLY
in the top echelon of the A10. Nice guys don’t guarantee wins. We need a revamping of the program
which should start with a change in coaching.
and when I listen to the post game tone from our coach, I am drained further. We don’t have game
changers like Jordan King, though AA could be that person eventually. Lopez is our main threat but
he cannot do it all. CM has not shown me we can recruit at the level needed to be CONSISTENTLY
in the top echelon of the A10. Nice guys don’t guarantee wins. We need a revamping of the program
which should start with a change in coaching.
spider_hoss
Bench player
It happens in pro leagues because they feel they can get better with a draft pick. Since College Hoops doesn't have an entry draft, the only real improvement can come with changing the staff. That's what we're rooting for.
Kneepad McKinney
Bench player
We NYG fans call this the "Full Tommy DeVito"
Spider17
All A-10 player
Seeing this now, and here are my thoughts.
I can never actively root for the spiders to lose. I care about the program too much and know that deep down they’re trying their best. The team/staff works hard in representing the university as best as they can, even when the results are not what anyone would want them to be.
I also have never been a proponent of gestures like firing a coach chants at games or things like the billboard. I get it’s a public job and these are ways to voice displeasure but I don’t think it’s fair to the team/staff to have criticism shown that way. Instead, it’s by stopping donations, going to the games, or talking to leadership if anyone has that kind of connections.
I think things like this forum, are a great way to have discourse around spider sports with both the positives and negatives. Same way there are national reports, journalist, or hundreds of other sports fan pages that do the same thing for their respective teams. I think we do a great job of it here, but obviously comments should never be personal towards players or staff and solely focusing on the performance on the court or as it pertains to their job responsibilities (like discussing about post game interviews),
For instance, I apologize for comments on the legacy thread that could be interpreted as Mooney doesn’t care or only cares within the context of his employment. I am sure he does care deeply and ultimately don’t know how he feels one way or another, so it’s not my place to comment on things like that.
I would love nothing more than pulling off a miracle run in the A10 tournament but either way, there are a lot of things I hope our program addresses in the off season to right the ship.
I can never actively root for the spiders to lose. I care about the program too much and know that deep down they’re trying their best. The team/staff works hard in representing the university as best as they can, even when the results are not what anyone would want them to be.
I also have never been a proponent of gestures like firing a coach chants at games or things like the billboard. I get it’s a public job and these are ways to voice displeasure but I don’t think it’s fair to the team/staff to have criticism shown that way. Instead, it’s by stopping donations, going to the games, or talking to leadership if anyone has that kind of connections.
I think things like this forum, are a great way to have discourse around spider sports with both the positives and negatives. Same way there are national reports, journalist, or hundreds of other sports fan pages that do the same thing for their respective teams. I think we do a great job of it here, but obviously comments should never be personal towards players or staff and solely focusing on the performance on the court or as it pertains to their job responsibilities (like discussing about post game interviews),
For instance, I apologize for comments on the legacy thread that could be interpreted as Mooney doesn’t care or only cares within the context of his employment. I am sure he does care deeply and ultimately don’t know how he feels one way or another, so it’s not my place to comment on things like that.
I would love nothing more than pulling off a miracle run in the A10 tournament but either way, there are a lot of things I hope our program addresses in the off season to right the ship.
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SpiderRick
Bench player
That's fair but I believe a distinction should be made between normal fans and fans who are actively rooting for the team that they support to lose.
But that's just me
How about replacing "normal fans" with "long time fans", and see what you come up with. I'm curious to know 1) How old are you? And 2) How long you've been a Richmond fan? (Assuming that you're not a troll). If I had to guess, I bet you don't go back to the Tarrant/Belein days when we had a program that we were proud of.
I'm past being frustrated.
The opposite of happy is not sad...its apathy.
SpiderTrue
Walk-on
I'm a 90's kid, my first season as a fan was my freshman year which was the year before our back to back NCAA runs and I always had a tremendous amount of respect for the way Coach Mooney ran the ship.
SpiderRick
Bench player
Okay thanks for answering. I figured that you didn't go back far enough to have anyone to compare Mooney to. Maybe Youtbe some of the Dick Tarrant years and see how things were for many years, and you may realize the frustration of long time fans. And I do appreciate you being here and expressing your opinions; I just don't understand why your love affair with Mooney continues...
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