Did it in exhibition also. Sitting since warm ups and making baskets it’s what we need!
Game Thread - Southern Virginia (D3) @ RC - Wed 11/5 7pm - ESPN+
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after missed 3 from corner he was the first back to stop layup.
SensibleSpider
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Spidey, I sense you may have some connection to McGlothin which is great and hope to hear more from your perspective.
Regarding his PT, his size and length is certainly a plus. I haven't seen much other than his 30 seconds in the regular time of the exhibition and few minutes at the end of the SV game, but his shooting stroke is promising. I do hope he gets a decent number of live reps this year to aid in his development. I haven't seen enough to form an opinion like other posters but I like what I'm hearing about his practices etc.
Regarding his PT, his size and length is certainly a plus. I haven't seen much other than his 30 seconds in the regular time of the exhibition and few minutes at the end of the SV game, but his shooting stroke is promising. I do hope he gets a decent number of live reps this year to aid in his development. I haven't seen enough to form an opinion like other posters but I like what I'm hearing about his practices etc.
SensibleSpider
Walk-on
I pretty much agree with everyone else. I will add a slightly different perspective on a few players.
AP - very disappointing game but still think he figures out the shooting stroke this season. He is one of the better rebounders on the team and unlike others, I don't hate his defense. I think his size is a nice counterweight to the small ball lineup Mooney is running with the starters.
Tanner - shouldn't start. Pretty simple. Think he can be valuable off the bench but need more from that position on the court, especially is Johnson and Lopez continue to struggle.
Beagle - I think he outplayed Walz. Stats are pretty similar, but the ball movement seemed to be more aggressive and crisper when he was in. Something to monitor as the season progresses.
AP - very disappointing game but still think he figures out the shooting stroke this season. He is one of the better rebounders on the team and unlike others, I don't hate his defense. I think his size is a nice counterweight to the small ball lineup Mooney is running with the starters.
Tanner - shouldn't start. Pretty simple. Think he can be valuable off the bench but need more from that position on the court, especially is Johnson and Lopez continue to struggle.
Beagle - I think he outplayed Walz. Stats are pretty similar, but the ball movement seemed to be more aggressive and crisper when he was in. Something to monitor as the season progresses.
let’s us see for ourselves.
Texas hoops fan here.
*23*
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I hope he does too, because he is one of the guys that no matter how bad he does, Mooney seems to still love him some AP. Being facetious, but maybe Mooney is scared of Hurley and wants to play him.
The whole "narrative" that AP is a good 3 point shooter - I think is just that. I remember when we got him trying to find video - and one I found was just him in a gym not looking good shooting 3's. I think Hurley, despite being so annoying, is a very good coach. He must have seen something, but it has not surfaced in real games much at all. And he lost the entire off season injured. So rd for me to have much confidence. The way he jacks, and opportunity he gets, he probably will have a good game or three.
97spiderfan
Bench player
The fact that Harper a true freshman got time before McGlothin speaks volumes to me. Harper and him have very similar builds and both will play probably the same position. It will remain to be seen if Harper gets more time but obviously Mooney thinks right now he is better than McGlothin despite the redshirt year.
Again, why if I was both of them, I wouldn't have redshirted last year with that dogsh*t team that Mooney had. I would have forced coaches hand to play me and if he didn't I would have known a year earlier that I wasn't getting time and could have explored other options.
Again, why if I was both of them, I wouldn't have redshirted last year with that dogsh*t team that Mooney had. I would have forced coaches hand to play me and if he didn't I would have known a year earlier that I wasn't getting time and could have explored other options.
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Agree completely with this. No point to redshirting with last years team.
And yes, I noticed that too with Harper going in first. And then waiting one possession to put Kirby in.
@97spiderfan I can’t disagree with this enough. First of all, you are talking about a very small number of freshmen who can come in a make an impact to a team on day 1. Sure it happens, but it is the exception not the rule. Second, I am a believer in the STUDENT athlete. As such. I think it is very important for the athlete to pick the right university/college for his/herself. You might not play right away, but you are going to class, learning about life on your own etc. Jumping from place to place to play basketball is not what college sports means to me. It is why there should be a “minor league” system. Baseball is the only sport in the US that has it right. Last, who wants to play on a “dogs—” team? Do you really want to battle to play on a losing team? What’s the point?
I really do not see any issue with redshirting. The problem with the Spiders is recruiting.
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Welllllll, yes. The recruiting is the problem. BUT - if we can agree on that point - and the uppeclassmen didn't play well last year - then really no point to redshirt Bryson and Jrob last season. But back to point A (recruiting is the problem) then you are assuming Bryson is not a good recruit. And my eyes lie. They have before - but but Mooney himself has compared him to Justin Harper. Our podcasters gushed about how he did not look like the others on the team. So I think this is mooney being mental. Just like with Duinker - who he gushed about as a potential freshman of the year - and then could not stand to look at him in a game, there is a severe disconnect.
Aiden has a daughter?
Section9_RowD
Bench player
Yeah had to read his post 3 times earlier this morning
Exactly. What incentive would our real good players have to stay here for 4 or 5 years? Our average players that might help us be an above average team? Okay, maybe they could stay. But, our really good players we need to win A-10 titles? Most will be offered money by major programs that they would be foolish to turn down. Bottom line is we better be getting some real good transfers in here each year to join the guys we recruit if we want to win A-10 titles. Other teams will continue do this, so we will be way behind if we don't put heavy emphasis on the portal.
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These guys are here for basketball, not school. I doubt anyone wants to redshirt. Guys play so much ball throughout high school, the good players should absolutely be ready to contribute as freshmen. I am tired of seeing us recruit guys who are not ready.
And, 97 nailed it. If McGlothin would have played last year and shown something, he comes in this year in better shape in the rotation order. If he struggled all year, he would likely know where he stands and maybe could be somewhere else right now getting ready for some good minutes on the floor. If he doesn't find a spot in the rotation this year, I doubt it ever happens here. I am pulling for him, but it's not like we have a bunch of all A-10 players in front of him. If he continues to not see minutes, do we really want someone who didn't beat out Tanner and others the past 2 years as one of our key guys next year?
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Yes, it is a different world. Not many like it, but as our $1.5 million leader, Mooney is tasked with making it work. If he is so married to the old way of doing business, guess what D3 still operates like that. He has a enough money now to go take a top D3 job for $125K and live comfortably off his Richmond earnings. But hey, there is a certain clout and $ with RIchmond, so he is not loving the purity that much.
It's just a fact that as 4700 pointed out - if you do well enough, the money is just foolish to turn down. I follow Delaware. They had an unbelievable run to the CAA championship. But the lost Camden to Stanford I believe, and true freshman Pasha to Va Tech, which I heard from a pretty reliable source he got 1.6 million. Wow.
Whether or not you think you can play this long game, at 1.5 mil I believe you are contracted to try to win every season.
It's just a fact that as 4700 pointed out - if you do well enough, the money is just foolish to turn down. I follow Delaware. They had an unbelievable run to the CAA championship. But the lost Camden to Stanford I believe, and true freshman Pasha to Va Tech, which I heard from a pretty reliable source he got 1.6 million. Wow.
Whether or not you think you can play this long game, at 1.5 mil I believe you are contracted to try to win every season.
I am not equating bad recruiting with either of the 2 redshirts. Neither has played enough for me to be able to make a “fan based” assessment. In fact, I posted that I think both of last year’s redshirts will break the trend of UR redshirts not panning out.
Simply saying that recruiting has been a problem for a number of years which has lead the team to where it is now. Also, it isn’t just high school recruiting either. The recruiting of players in the portal hasn’t being a resounding success story either.
97spiderfan
Bench player
Well yes, recruiting is the problem, it has always been the problem and it has gotten worse over the past 5 years. But Mooney also uses the redshirt to hide his recruiting problems. Recruit a guy throw a redshirt on him and you have 2 years before someone notices that the recruit is a miss. But you have fans salivating over the redshirts for 2 years and then we see them play and your like ahh now I know why the redshirted. J-Rob may be the exception to the rule as he looks like he can play. Other than that, Mooney's redshirts are players who end up making very little impact on the program.
As for McGlothin, I realized the reason he redshirted I saw Tanner in live game action. McGlothin couldn't beat our Tanner (a very limited player) during practice. And now this year, a true freshman Will Harper has beat out McGothlin and as 23 pointed out McGothlin got in literally about 20 seconds before Kirby Mooney did. Mooney has been here long enough that we should all know what the message is to scholarship players who get the same time as walk-ons, and that is "hey bud come spring how bout you explore the transfer portal"?.
Hope I'm wrong on McGothlin, hope he is a player and makes a big impact on the team. Alas, Mooney's been here for 20 plus years and we know the success of redshirt players, the odds are seriously stacked against him.
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And Camden was another guy we mis evaluated, or failed to land. Instead got AP and Dusan. I went and watched Delaware early in the season and said to myself, this guy Camden looks a good step above those guys. And he was. And his sister was here. But Delaware in the CAA landed him. Oh well. Just like Buddy Simmons this season, other than King two years ago, we seem to miss on the key guys - and none of those guys went power. We just go beat out like with Sisk.
You best follow a different program because everything I hear and see says that Richmond wants student athletes. If you are at Richmond to solely play basketball, you are at the wrong place.
Is this different than most colleges? No doubt. But there are a few programs that are still doing it the “old fashioned” way. I believe it can be done. Is the Men’s program on the path to success? It sure doesn’t look like it.
