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[sman]

Yes, give me a center on the perimeter 30 ft from the basket with his back to the basket and a 6''6" guy down low. Sounds like Mooney ball to me!!

sarcasm noted!
if you feel there's no role for a JRob type player in today's game, I understand but disagree.
I'm saying to play him on a winning team, I want him on the floor with a TJ Cline type of center. a guy who can run the high post offense, shoot 35% from 3, and still kill you inside. I'd love him to also be a rim protector but I don't want to get greedy.

JRob can be valuable with the right guys on the floor. but despite his athleticism he's disadvantaged on both ends playing the 5.

 

[*23*]

Agree still think Jrob can be a very good college player, has some abilities you can't teach.
The problem again (COACHING!!) is that Mooney does not seem like he is putting him in favorable positions.

I remember Nate Cayo came in listed as a guard on our roster.. somewhere along the way made himself into a really good undersized power forward, with a really good post up game.

Seems like with Jrob , even though we had two pretty decent 5s, that was where we used him. Seems to me if he could develop like Cayo he could have same for better impact.

 

[vt4700]

sarcasm noted!
if you feel there's no role for a JRob type player in today's game, I understand but disagree.
I'm saying to play him on a winning team, I want him on the floor with a TJ Cline type of center. a guy who can run the high post offense, shoot 35% from 3, and still kill you inside. I'd love him to also be a rim protector but I don't want to get greedy.

JRob can be valuable with the right guys on the floor. but despite his athleticism he's disadvantaged on both ends playing the 5.

But, without a 3 point shot or low post game, isn't he also disadvantaged playing the 4 like you said you wanted?

 

[ur2K]

All of the good things noted about how to put Jrob's talents to use are completely against the way our staff chooses to play the game of basketball. He has a load of talent, his game just doesn't fit in the Mooneyball system.

 

[vt4700]

All of the good things noted about how to put Jrob's talents to use are completely against the way our staff chooses to play the game of basketball. He has a load of talent, his game just doesn't fit in the Mooneyball system.

Serious question. Load of talent, or load of athleticism?

 

[97spiderfan]

All of the good things noted about how to put Jrob's talents to use are completely against the way our staff chooses to play the game of basketball. He has a load of talent, his game just doesn't fit in the Mooneyball system.

I think JRob would fit in a system like Kelvin Sampson employs at Houston, where they play a very physical brand of ball and crash the boards relentlessly.

 

[ur2K]

Serious question. Load of talent, or load of athleticism?

Probably depend who you ask.

 

[sman]

But, without a 3 point shot or low post game, isn't he also disadvantaged playing the 4 like you said you wanted?

I'm saying I like the advantages he brings and can live with any disadvantages ... if we have the right guys on the floor with him. for one thing, need 4 others that can shoot.

a lineup like ...
AA
Rowan Brumbaugh
Tyler Burton
JRob
TJ Cline

and I realize that's an unrealistic all-star team. but if you have shooters, you can certainly play Robinson.

 

[*23*]

I like what you did there with Brumbaugh

 

[97spiderfan]

I'm saying I like the advantages he brings and can live with any disadvantages ... if we have the right guys on the floor with him. for one thing, need 4 others that can shoot.

a lineup like ...
AA
Rowan Brumbaugh
Tyler Burton
JRob
TJ Cline

and I realize that's an unrealistic all-star team. but if you have shooters, you can certainly play Robinson.

So, basically if we surround JRob with 4 high level A-10 starters, we can get by playing him?

 

[vt4700]

I'm saying I like the advantages he brings and can live with any disadvantages ... if we have the right guys on the floor with him. for one thing, need 4 others that can shoot.

a lineup like ...
AA
Rowan Brumbaugh
Tyler Burton
JRob
TJ Cline

and I realize that's an unrealistic all-star team. but if you have shooters, you can certainly play Robinson.

But, we are talking about a 6'6 ( he looks 6'5) guy who can't handle like a guard, can't shoot the 3, doesn't have a low post game, and shot 35.9% (14-39) at the FT line. And I'm still not sure what he can do defensively at his size. That is a lot of disadvantages to live with. I like his athleticism and could see giving him some minutes as an athletic, burst of energy, crash the boards guy, but I just don't see enough positives to justify a starting position with good minutes.

 

[vt4700]

So, basically if we surround JRob with 4 high level A-10 starters, we can get by playing him?

 

[Kneepad McKinney]

Agree. Hard to say JRob and Harper will be key pieces when they scored 83 and 47 points last year. On a terrible team!!!

It was Coaching, not the skill of the players. JRob was so misused it was ridiculous. Harper was hurt for the vast majority of the year. I don't think you can look at "how many points" and make a definitive conclusion.

Now, if your argument is, "do we expect them to be put into position to maximize their potential even if they stay?" then I think we both know the answer to that.

 

[sman]

But, we are talking about a 6'6 ( he looks 6'5) guy who can't handle like a guard, can't shoot the 3, doesn't have a low post game, and shot 35.9% (14-39) at the FT line. And I'm still not sure what he can do defensively at his size. That is a lot of disadvantages to live with. I like his athleticism and could see giving him some minutes as an athletic, burst of energy, crash the boards guy, but I just don't see enough positives to justify a starting position with good minutes.

probably right. we'll see what kind of pieces we add.

 

[vt4700]

It was Coaching, not the skill of the players. JRob was so misused it was ridiculous. Harper was hurt for the vast majority of the year. I don't think you can look at "how many points" and make a definitive conclusion.

Now, if your argument is, "do we expect them to be put into position to maximize their potential even if they stay?" then I think we both know the answer to that.

I got on Mooney for everything last year (last 2 years), but I don't know how you use a tweener like JRob. I actually liked him at the 5 better than anywhere else, but not for a lot of minutes.

 

[Kneepad McKinney]

Step 1: I'd tell JRob to move his damned feet on defense and stop doing the AAU "let your guy blow past you and try to block it from behind" thing, and I'd enforce it every single day.

Step 2: I'd tell him to go after every rebound on both ends of the court no matter what. Other people can retreat to D after a shot goes up.

Step 3: 500 three pointers a day. I didn't think his stroke looked bad, I just thought he wasn't permitted to shoot or else he was coming out of the game.

I have a lot of belief in JRob as a player. I have almost no belief in Mooney's use of JRob as a player.

 

[brooklyn brownstone]

Step 1A - 500 FTs a day. Way more important than anything else on his off. game. I think Moon plays him more this season if he were 70% from the line.

 

[*23*]

Number 1 is an issue with Mooney. He has not enforced this with anyone. Guys get blown by on D and stay in the game.

 

[Spiderguy]

All of the good things noted about how to put Jrob's talents to use are completely against the way our staff chooses to play the game of basketball. He has a load of talent, his game just doesn't fit in the Mooneyball system.

Typical for Moon. Force fit players. Never get creative and adapt to skills - not just JRob. I get that there has to be a coach's choice for system, but 1) if it's not working, then by all means stand in quicksand and 2) if the players a coach recruits show abilities outside the 21 year old system, then modify and adapt.

I get it - way too much of an ask. Carry on, Moon.

 

[vt4700]

Step 1: I'd tell JRob to move his damned feet on defense and stop doing the AAU "let your guy blow past you and try to block it from behind" thing, and I'd enforce it every single day.

Step 2: I'd tell him to go after every rebound on both ends of the court no matter what. Other people can retreat to D after a shot goes up.

Step 3: 500 three pointers a day. I didn't think his stroke looked bad, I just thought he wasn't permitted to shoot or else he was coming out of the game.

I have a lot of belief in JRob as a player. I have almost no belief in Mooney's use of JRob as a player.

1. Correct. He is not very good on defense. Hard to just magically correct lateral quickness.
2. Okay, so at 6'5ish go after every rebound? Don't worry about having any offensive game, just go after every rebound, I guess because no player on the other team is athletic or taller than 6'5, and no team would ever make us pay for that at the other end in transition.

What happens when JRob is guarding a quicker guy, especially a 3 point threat, and crashes every board, while the quicker guy who can shoot doesn't and always gets out in transition? Not saying I agree with Mooney's rebounding strategy, but I certainly don't agree with telling a guy (with no offensive game) to just crash every board.

What happens when JRob's guy never guards him because JRob has no inside game and can't shoot 3s? That just hurts everyone else out there.

What happens when JRob gets the extra 2 offensive rebounds a game by crashing every board and gets fouled after doing so? He probably goes 0-2 or 1-2 at the line.

3. Practicing 3s doesn't mean you will come close to being a reliable 3 point threat. Otherwise, every team would just practice 3s and have all their guys shoting 40+% from there. And, if you want him crashing every board, how will that work with him shooting 3s? And, looking at his FT %, I have a hard time believing he will ever be a 3 point threat.

It's hard to find a good role for a tweener..it just is.