MrTbone
All A-10 player
It’s super weird.
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MrTbone
All A-10 player
He’s arguably our only inside player without beagle.
MrTbone
All A-10 player
He started against GW, VCU and Davidson and had 14, 6, and 10 against those teams who should finish 2/6/8 in the A10 standings.
We weren’t worse because he started those games.
sman
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we're not a good Richmond team. AA as a freshman is one of our best players and is certainly the most exciting player we have returning. retaining him is extremely important.
but on a good Richmond team, I think AA would be a nice role player as a freshman. we'd give him the keys as a sophomore. Cedrick Lindsay might be a good comp.
but on a good Richmond team, I think AA would be a nice role player as a freshman. we'd give him the keys as a sophomore. Cedrick Lindsay might be a good comp.
Very true. We have had a lot of teams, even our average ones, that had 2 real good guards starting. As a freshman, AA would have started or been more than a role player on very few teams in the past.
sman
Starter
agreed. and we're talking on this board about giving him $500k per.
it's a crazy world.
I maintain Ced was on track for A10 POY his senior season before his season ending injury. That did give time for another, perhaps under appreciated, freshman guard: SDJ
Loved Ced.
But this is the state of college bb now. We have to live in the moment and deal with the parameters & variables in today's environment. Think about this. Discussion of 500K for AA now but could be higher in a year or two. Personally I'd give what it takes to keep him here, although it's questionable the surrounding players.
Give me old school, but it's no longer here.
brooklyn brownstone
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the conversation here cements the issue: it's not really the players that start the game, it is how Moon instructs the beginning of a game starts and how those players follow the game plan.
Generally we don't come out with aggression or look to push tempo. We run the turgid Moonball offense in the first few possessions (3-4 minutes) and generally run the shot clock down before firing up a 3. I've noticed that Tyne often gets the first shot of a game - seems to me about 75% of the last dozen games if I had to guess, Tyne took the first shot.
The reason AA and Daughtry came in and make impacts is because the pace of UR's play immediately increases when they do. When AA started, he was being reined in during those first 4 minutes of play, forced to run the offense and defer to how the team gets into the game.
Coming off the bench there were no such reins it seems. As been noted ad nauseam, the Spiders are much better playing fast. But yet we don't, and Moon keeps saying that we need to come out with more aggression, yet he never makes the logical leap on how to do so. Duh.
Now it does not help that Walz and Tanner are system guys who start and who will run the system no matter what, they're loyal players who don't improvise from their coaching.
If we came out with AA and Daughtry and started pressing and running, I'm pretty sure we'd be getting off to better starts.
Generally we don't come out with aggression or look to push tempo. We run the turgid Moonball offense in the first few possessions (3-4 minutes) and generally run the shot clock down before firing up a 3. I've noticed that Tyne often gets the first shot of a game - seems to me about 75% of the last dozen games if I had to guess, Tyne took the first shot.
The reason AA and Daughtry came in and make impacts is because the pace of UR's play immediately increases when they do. When AA started, he was being reined in during those first 4 minutes of play, forced to run the offense and defer to how the team gets into the game.
Coming off the bench there were no such reins it seems. As been noted ad nauseam, the Spiders are much better playing fast. But yet we don't, and Moon keeps saying that we need to come out with more aggression, yet he never makes the logical leap on how to do so. Duh.
Now it does not help that Walz and Tanner are system guys who start and who will run the system no matter what, they're loyal players who don't improvise from their coaching.
If we came out with AA and Daughtry and started pressing and running, I'm pretty sure we'd be getting off to better starts.
sman
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point is AA is getting so much playing time and looking impressive because we're not a good team.
this board is talking $500k but I'm fairly confident the NIL group won't go that high, and I don't think they need to.
$500k is reserved for all-conference level players. AA isn't there yet. he's a good looking freshman ... but shooting 33% from 3 and 46% from 2 with 2 apg. very solid. not all-conference level yet.
*23*
Assistant coach
Who the flying eff is this NIL group. Didn't we opt in. I would think the HC would decide who is worth what based on market value out there. But we have an NIL group (PQ and 80s) deciding things. But no GM. We just keep sticking our big ass Jabba the Hardt head in the sand. Freaking pitiful. NO GM and we have some basketball dumb rich mf'ers with money trying to determine players worth???
I realize you are just going off conjecture here sman, but with no GM and Mooney stating the same things over and over for 20 years without actually making changes, you are probably right. See here sonny, when I was your age I walked to school both ways and worked at the grocery store for 50 cents and hour.
And I am not saying what AA is worth, but have no trust that IF mooney could identify and actually recruit a roster that he would also be able to influence the "NIL Group" or the school to pay the money. Whatever that amount would be. AA probalby not worth that, but I have no earthly idea - we see crappy SEC and B10, and BE rosters probably paying 7-10 million, and it only takes one of them to blow a player up.
Agree mostly. The question is "what is relative worth?" Also, what are external alternatives & demand? I, for one used that 500K figure because that's the number being tossed around on this site. It's a discussion point.
You are spot on re: "conjecture". Since UR isn't publishing black and white figures, we don't know what the pot really looks like nor what next year might be. We can go on what was published in an article, but who knows how accurate that is. If other schools come calling for AA, somebody in the program will have to make the decision to match or not. I'm afraid we'll never know the hidden NIL #'s at UR so discussion points will primarily be conjecture and opinion. We can talk this subject in circles or weaves.
sman
Starter
??? I believe the HC is the decider of NIL. not sure why you're gung ho about a GM. it's pretty much administrative and answers to the HC. a guy like Woj may be trying to raise fund for NIL, but I seriously doubt he decides who gets what.
Mooney may have to go to someone, whether it's your GM type or Hardt or PQ or whoever is in charge of contributing from the school ... if he feels he needs more NIL than has been agreed upon. Mooney can't waive his hand and make more money available. someone has to raise or attain any extra.
2 studs at $1m, 3 other starters at $500k, 5 backups at $200k, and 5 deep bench guys at $100k...adjust a bit in spots, but there's your $5m. You can argue deep bench guys get nothing but that $500k they're getting doesn't move the needle a whole lot spread among the other 10 guys.
*23*
Assistant coach
Exactly guy, just like everything with our program, it's just conjecture. Does the program have goals? Does Mooney even have to present any type of plan to Hardt. Do we have software, or some type of tracker to figure out NIL, or just winging it. Since no one says anything publicly (other than we have to "PLAY HARDER" and we have to "MAKE MORE SHOTS", we are supposed to believe moon has some kind of grip on things, when asked about it he states " things are moving so fast" "we are going to have to look at that in the spring". Its become a joke of a program.
*23*
Assistant coach
Exactly, just like when mooney was getting shot down on the fake academic standards, and I said he needs to go in there screaming and kicking to say look this guy is needed and so what if he has a 2.7 instead of a 2.8 GPA. But that was the old excuse. If Mooney wasn't such a baby, he would go to Hardt and say look, you are screwing me on the NIL - we opted in - we have the money - you need to figure this out ASAP. You can say that's not how it works, but when you are making 1.5 million and highest paid employee, you absolutely need to make those funds unlocked. Unlock them. but that would remove an excuse.
I was on a project at work, not directly my unit. But the project was scheduled for March (this was back in December). Everyone "knew" that March was going to be pushing the envelope to acheive it and complaining. Then the CEO stepped in and moved it up 2 months to January. Because he was the head guy, and he could tell the little guys get this done. That is what mooney needs to do. But he won't b/c they are paying him big bucks and he will lose his excuses, and he doesn't care to rock the boat. But as the 1.5 million dollar leader of a once proud program, HE SHOULD. So don't make any more excuses for him please.
Great stuff. I'd be really curious what they have & don't, how they operate, etc. You know, there are enough of us on here who graduated & took many many classes in the B school & have had successful careers with good business & operational minds that could help them out. I say that not cynically. But my guess, is either they have little in place currently or would never allow outside creativity to help them out with the ways they function.
*23*
Assistant coach
Yep, and let's just say we had a GM. And let's say sman is right, it's "it's pretty much administrative" position. So what. So Mooney is doing low freaking level admin work????? In the A10 - 1 or 2 players can make or break you. But Mooney and Giper are doing admin work and letting some guys slip throught the cracks? Wow. I mean King was super. But if no Dlow, then we have a sorry back court and probably finish below .500 that season. And Mooney just talks like everything is moving so fast. Yet he cashes his checks and checks out come mid march. Crazy lil town that is Richmond hoops.
brooklyn brownstone
Starter
Moon is also the guy on record saying that multi year guys should get paid more.