25-26 Roster Expectations

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AP - I thought he looked decent when he had the ball in the high post a bit. But the 5 spot is pretty full. I don't see any evidence that points to him being a good 3 point shooter in games. Again, hoping to be proven wrong. And missing most of the offseason is certainly not going to help him improve. But he now has a season of real game experience, so that could help.

One thing from the podcast that scares me a bit, was the talk that Johnston seemed to be the only guy that when he takes the 3 - you feel like it is a make. If Tyne and who ever is playing the wing can't make threes, think David Thomas needs to get a good long look. Actually feel pretty good about our 4 and 5 positions shooting the 3.

 

[fan2011]

Hoping we have at least an exciting offense this season, which it sounds like we might with these transfers

 

[MrTbone]

I’m disappointed but not surprised that Tyne is getting calls to be our starting PG. two years being a mainstay in the rotation gets him that but if he plays like last year, we are going to have a difficult time raising performance.

 

[fan2011]

I’m disappointed but not surprised that Tyne is getting calls to be our starting PG. two years being a mainstay in the rotation gets him that but if he plays like last year, we are going to have a difficult time raising performance.

Would hope he is either significantly better or supplanted as a starter by conference play

 

[ur2K]

How long until that starting five is comfortable running our offense? Assume that will be the excuse when we lose some of these Quad 4 OOC games?

 

[97spiderfan]

I’m disappointed but not surprised that Tyne is getting calls to be our starting PG. two years being a mainstay in the rotation gets him that but if he plays like last year, we are going to have a difficult time raising performance.

I wouldn't say he is getting "calls" to be our starting PG, unless you are referencing Mooney, who is the ultimate call maker. I think the overall sentiment is that Tyne best role would be that as a 6th man but also think Mooney is comfortable with him knowing the offense and thus he will be installed as our starting PG.

The only defense I have of Tyne and his performance last year is look at the the players he was supposed to be setting up last year in our offense. Tanner, AP, Walz, Dusan, BA White, Beagle. Damn Kyrie would have looked less than stellar trying to get those guys to look good on offense.

 

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97 - I understand your point - everything is harder when you don't have good teammates. But on the flip side, I don't think anyone was double teaming or loading up on Tyne. And Mooney gives his PG's freedom. I think a KA, Gilly, even SDJ would have scored a ton on last year's team. Tyne did not show much ability to score the ball consistently. And he is listed at 5'10, which I think is pretty generous - but that is normal. Will say I saw him play in person once his freshman year, and was impressed with his game. But so far has not been consistent - and my concern is even if he is better offensively, seems like Johnston will be a mainstay in the back court - and not sure who we will be able to stop.

 

[MrTbone]

I wouldn't say he is getting "calls" to be our starting PG, unless you are referencing Mooney, who is the ultimate call maker. I think the overall sentiment is that Tyne best role would be that as a 6th man but also think Mooney is comfortable with him knowing the offense and thus he will be installed as our starting PG.

The only defense I have of Tyne and his performance last year is look at the the players he was supposed to be setting up last year in our offense. Tanner, AP, Walz, Dusan, BA White, Beagle. Damn Kyrie would have looked less than stellar trying to get those guys to look good on offense.

Idk, there seem to be a bunch of people on this board who are penciling him into the starting 5. These are people who actually watch games closely and should know his stats.

I’m just saying that he’s had two years of really underperforming numbers at key metrics. It’s not likely to change dramatically with a different cast, he should be making others better, not the other way around.

Btw, I don’t dislike mikkel, he brings some good qualities but we need more out of a starting PG.

 

[RichmondNative]

I’m disappointed but not surprised that Tyne is getting calls to be our starting PG. two years being a mainstay in the rotation gets him that but if he plays like last year, we are going to have a difficult time raising performance.

I would use the word “expected” vs “calls for”. I totally agree that if historical performance Tyne is the starting PG, then UR is doomed to repeat last season. This is why Tyne is the key to the season to me.

I think the overall sentiment is that Tyne best role would be that as a 6th man but also think Mooney is comfortable with him knowing the offense and thus he will be installed as our starting PG.

97’s statement is exactly what I would type. Well put 97.

Other items of interest to me in this thread:

Would hope he is either significantly better or supplanted as a starter by conference play

I hope the decision is made before conference play starts as I feel like another problem last year was that it took too long to determine what the best possible team was.

he should be making others better, not the other way around.

Definitely an attribute you want your PG to have and an area that Tyne has been deficient in by my observation. This is actually the main reason that I think Tyne’s best utilization is a change of pace type off the bench.

 

[97spiderfan]

he should be making others better, not the other way around.

Completely agree. I said before my Mooney PG comp for Tyne is Khwan Fore. Hyper athletic, fast PG but a sizeable step below Mooney's A list of PG (KA, K-Zero, Ced, SDJ, Gilly). I put my supporting cast comment regarding last year in the same vein of he needs to show significant improvement this year for us to be really successful, possible but also wishful thinking.

My hope was that Johnston would be a starting PG but from reports it seems like he is penciling in at the 2. Mooney isn't starting a freshman, so by process of elimination that leaves Tyne. I think that is where we are at.

 

[Spiderguy]

My hope was that Johnston would be a starting PG but from reports it seems like he is penciling in at the 2. Mooney isn't starting a freshman, so by process of elimination that leaves Tyne. I think that is where we are at.

I've said on several occasions that Tyne will start at PG, and that's what I'm hearing. Mooney is for the most part predictable.

 

[PhillySpider]

This line up is how I am leaning now as well. I think McGlothin will get minutes, I am hoping he pops, but seems like he will need that year adjustment to the speed of the game. Really really think moon playing slow game with him and JROB hurts us this season.

I know defense is not all that fun to discuss, and I have harped on it in the past - however the transfer rankings I posted is an independent source that is corraborating the information that I, Philly Spider (?) and others have posted about questionable defense. This line up does not appear to have one + defender. Yes, Walz is big and athletic - but I don't know that he has the lateral movement and quick twitch to be a true plus defender.
This potential "defensive issue" is another item that may get glossed over with this OOC. We did have a really good defense two years ago. But that team had some DAWGS, that were also long and athletic in Dji, Bigs, even Harris. Quinn was a good rim protector. And DLo was a DAWG. King was a good defender, high effort high IQ defensive player that made up for his size with savvy and IQ.

Hoping some of these guys prove me wrong in a big way. Not counting on Moon to scheme things up.

Probably was me posting about defense and I concur with the thoughts here about it too.

Tyne is probably our best defender and I see lots of discussion about whether he will or should start and have to believe that its his D that will push him into the lineup still. Walz is OK as a defender (better than Grant, not as good as Quinn). We can survive with him but he isn't going to be much help covering up for others problems. As for all the rest of the returnees - - they can't defend much. Transfers don't have much defensive pedigree, but we will see if any of them can step up defensively. And frosh generally struggle defensively.

So yeah,I think this squad will be defensively challenged. OOC very well may keep that hidden as not much there capable of exploiting us. Hopefully we spend that time actually getting better and not misleading ourselves into thinking we are ok because we hold Southern Baptist to 38% shooting etc.

 

[Spide]

Probably was me posting about defense and I concur with the thoughts here about it too.

Tyne is probably our best defender and I see lots of discussion about whether he will or should start and have to believe that its his D that will push him into the lineup still. Walz is OK as a defender (better than Grant, not as good as Quinn). We can survive with him but he isn't going to be much help covering up for others problems. As for all the rest of the returnees - - they can't defend much. Transfers don't have much defensive pedigree, but we will see if any of them can step up defensively. And frosh generally struggle defensively.

So yeah,I think this squad will be defensively challenged. OOC very well may keep that hidden as not much there capable of exploiting us. Hopefully we spend that time actually getting better and not misleading ourselves into thinking we are ok because we hold Southern Baptist to 38% shooting etc.

Think Will Johnston, AJ Lopez and Aiden Argobright might surprise. All three are quick and dogs on defense. Moreover they can all score the ball either driving to the basketball or shooting from outside. Aiden appears to be a really good shooter and, my goodness, he is lightning fast.

 

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OK, it's the offseason, the time of year to be excited about our team . Last offseason the optimism took a big gut punch when a mediocre ECU team scored at will on us in a scrimmaged.
My mid august irrational exuberance is focused on Aiden Argabright. All reports are this is a guy that has ability, quickness and shooting ability. Yes, I was anxiously awaiting Nelson to hit the floor a few years ago and was high on him. But, he was never really known as a shooter, and his footspeed was never really a big plus. Then his HS season got messed up by covid, came here and broke his foot. So a lot to overcome. Hoping Aiden is a guy that can work himself into the rotation. I don't really trust HS numbers, but his shooting percentages are really good - and he does look the part in highlights. If he is good enough to insert himself in the lineup, I think that will be a very good sign.

 

[fan2011]

OK, it's the offseason, the time of year to be excited about our team . Last offseason the optimism took a big gut punch when a mediocre ECU team scored at will on us in a scrimmaged.
My mid august irrational exuberance is focused on Aiden Argabright. All reports are this is a guy that has ability, quickness and shooting ability. Yes, I was anxiously awaiting Nelson to hit the floor a few years ago and was high on him. But, he was never really known as a shooter, and his footspeed was never really a big plus. Then his HS season got messed up by covid, came here and broke his foot. So a lot to overcome. Hoping Aiden is a guy that can work himself into the rotation. I don't really trust HS numbers, but his shooting percentages are really good - and he does look the part in highlights. If he is good enough to insert himself in the lineup, I think that will be a very good sign.

Would be great to have a freshmen make a big impact.

 

[Mojo-Spider]

Would be great to have a freshmen make a big impact.

Unless I’m forgetting someone the last high school freshman who had a significant impact was Tyler Burton.

Too lazy to research how many high school classes ago that was, but think at least 5/6!

Just another indicator of why the program is in such a sad state. Why can’t we sign the Golden’s, Sherrod’s, Gilyard’s, Burton’s etc. anymore?

Tough times!

Go Spiders!

 

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Yes, I know the times are a changing, but look at these freshman and soph clasess:

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