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[vt4700]

I'm not giving Mooney an excuse or a pass, but I don't understand this logic.
if we're offering $0.40 on the dollar compared to our competitors, expecting to outperform is unrealistic.
CM would have to do a masterful job ... and none of us expect that.

the #1 factor in being competitive these days is having an NIL advantage. and then using it properly to have more talent than the teams you play.
we should give ourselves the advantage. we're not LaSalle.

Mooney will have to do a masterful job to beat SLU and VCU??? Seriously? How about being 10-5 like St Joe's? Will we need a masterful job from him to do that too? Forget NIL and look at the rosters. Do u see juggernaut rosters that we can't compete with because of money? SLU lost to Rhode Island and Dayton, and only has 2 Q1 wins. And, I was wrong earlier when I said VCU had a Q1 win. They don't!!!! They have lost to every good team they have played, and I don't think we should even call Mason good.

NIL is key. We all know that, but NIL is not a tell all and plenty of teams with less money than other teams do better than those teams. It's called getting the right fits, finding the right rotation and then coaching your guys.

 

[brooklyn brownstone]

His offensive system employs the principals of basketball that were successful in the early 1990s. Those principles still work against lazy defenses or poorly coached teams. They don't work in modern hoops against aggressive defenses, well coached teams who know what's coming, and just generally in the pace era of basketball he's employing a system that goes counter to tempo and possession (off. rebounding) techniques. It's just outdated to run the same sets over and over that have proven to have a hard ceiling.

 

[vt4700]

His offensive system employs the principals of basketball that were successful in the early 1990s. Those principles still work against lazy defenses or poorly coached teams. They don't work in modern hoops against aggressive defenses, well coached teams who know what's coming, and just generally in the pace era of basketball he's employing a system that goes counter to tempo and possession (off. rebounding) techniques. It's just outdated to run the same sets over and over that have proven to have a hard ceiling.

Agree 100% and this is exactly why I wanted Tony Bennett out at UVA. He was not gonna change his incredibly boring, walk it up the floor, run the clock down, shoot several mid range 2s style of play. But, it just wasn't working anymore and their rosters were getting less and less talented because no one wanted to play that style. People thought I was crazy for wanting him gone, but they haven't won an NCAA tourney game since their title year in 2019, and now they are 25-3 and a very fun team to watch in Ryan Odom's first year.

 

[sman]

Mooney will have to do a masterful job to beat SLU and VCU??? Seriously? How about being 10-5 like St Joe's? Will we need a masterful job from him to do that too? Forget NIL and look at the rosters. Do u see juggernaut rosters that we can't compete with because of money? SLU lost to Rhode Island and Dayton, and only has 2 Q1 wins. And, I was wrong earlier when I said VCU had a Q1 win. They don't!!!! They have lost to every good team they have played, and I don't think we should even call Mason good.

NIL is key. We all know that, but NIL is not a tell all and plenty of teams with less money than other teams do better than those teams. It's called getting the right fits, finding the right rotation and then coaching your guys.

SLU, VCU and Dayton are 3 of the biggest NIL spenders in the league. is it shocking they're all at the top of the standings?
yes, SJU is doing more with less. once in a while a team spending less will find bargain pieces and do well. but it's typically not sustainable. the Pirates might beat the Dodgers this year too ... but don't bet on it.

anyone can win a game on any given night. but to win throughout the season, you need talent. I have no idea why you think NIL money isn't a huge factor in landing and retaining talent. we're handcuffing ourselves. I know you disagree, but we're not talented enough. our coaching isn't good either, but end of the day we're not talented enough.

 

[Eight Legger]

We just don’t have a coach who can recruit and develop players on a consistent basis to maintain that. Seems like that was just an anomaly where we got lucky.

This. The good things Mooney did live in the past during an era of college athletics that is dead and never coming back. He doesn't know how to coach and win in this era without getting lucky.

Since players started getting paid, we've had one good year and three bad ones. The good one was because he found a 13 ppg scorer who magically turned into the A10 player of the year to the surprise of literally everyone.

But in our last 4 seasons (including that one), our overall record against Division I opponents is 60-63.

Pathetic!

 

[Gkiller]

Agree 100% and this is exactly why I wanted Tony Bennett out at UVA. He was not gonna change his incredibly boring, walk it up the floor, run the clock down, shoot several mid range 2s style of play. But, it just wasn't working anymore and their rosters were getting less and less talented because no one wanted to play that style. People thought I was crazy for wanting him gone, but they haven't won an NCAA tourney game since their title year in 2019, and now they are 25-3 and a very fun team to watch in Ryan Odom's first year.

When Odom was hired at vcu u didn’t think he was that good in fact u said Mooney was better.

 

[Gkiller]

I'm not giving Mooney an excuse or a pass, but I don't understand this logic.
if we're offering $0.40 on the dollar compared to our competitors, expecting to outperform is unrealistic.
CM would have to do a masterful job ... and none of us expect that.

the #1 factor in being competitive these days is having an NIL advantage. and then using it properly to have more talent than the teams you play.
we should give ourselves the advantage. we're not LaSalle.

I wouldn’t believe a thing about what we spend. All we’ve heard is there is no hard data too & too hard to know what others r spending. So now bc Moon’s benefactor with ulterior motives says materially outspent & gets JOC to write article it’s the truth? BS.

Get somebody on record. Get some hard data & show it. Maybe then u can raise more. Better yet get a new coach and get lot more donors. We pay Moon a lot but the school refuses to even confirm anything about it, not even length of extensions! Can’t cry poor on 1 hand when on the other hand it’s all a secret.

 

[Spiderguy]

All this talk about money and us falling behind because of the reported NIL we pay or don't. All the years prior to NIL for teams - go back and explain why Mr. 55 pct wasn't better. So now it's a relatively lower money thing? In my mind, it has always been and always will be a Mooney & his system problem. Who here doesn't think another coach with the same resources at UR couldn't achieve better results?

 

[sman]

there is no hard data. nothing is reported. it's all word of mouth. coaches talk. players talk. but the numbers are estimates.

 

[sman]

All this talk about money and us falling behind because of the reported NIL we pay or don't. All the years prior to NIL for teams - go back and explain why Mr. 55 pct wasn't better. So now it's a relatively lower money thing? In my mind, it has always been and always will be a Mooney & his system problem. Who here doesn't think another coach with the same resources at UR couldn't achieve better results?

when everyone was working with scholarships only, we should have had an advantage, at least with good student athletes who want a leafy campus which of course isn't everyone. differentiators for kids were basketball reputation and facilities. we addressed facilities. now the #1 differentiator is how much money a team will give you. we need to address that.

 

[Gkiller]

there is no hard data. nothing is reported. it's all word of mouth. coaches talk. players talk. but the numbers are estimates.

& nothing ever gets mistranslated with word of mouth. agents and players want to artificially inflate the numbers to get more. just like Tarrant used to say about kids in the cafeteria wanting to talk up who was recruiting them, true or not. Now they want to talk up $ they r getting, or supposedly getting. & schools like UR want to deflate the numbers to get more (and provide cover for Coach4Life).

The numbers could be accurate. idk. But I know they could also be wildly inaccurate. I'm primarily focused on UR, and the fact is we are an affluent school with a great balance sheet. My point is I'm not going to trust what comes out of UR or the local media (who is well known not to rock the boat or ask hard questions & more likely to carry the water for Mooney & admin) when there is so much gray and vagueness and secrecy, epecially when it's so simple to be transparent on the highest paid (minus the Spider Investment guy who's income is variable) and highest visible employee at the University.

 

[gospidersgo]

Mooney's overall coaching record: 415–342 (55%)

Mooney's overall record at Richmond: 373-303 (55%)

Mooney's record pre-NIL (summer 2021): 288-231 (55%)

Mooney's record during NIL era: 85-72 (54%)

Mooney's record this season: 15-13 (54%)

This is who he is.

 

[sman]

& nothing ever gets mistranslated with word of mouth. agents and players want to artificially inflate the numbers to get more. just like Tarrant used to say about kids in the cafeteria wanting to talk up who was recruiting them, true or not. Now they want to talk up $ they r getting, or supposedly getting. & schools like UR want to deflate the numbers to get more (and provide cover for Coach4Life).

The numbers could be accurate. idk. But I know they could also be wildly inaccurate. I'm primarily focused on UR, and the fact is we are an affluent school with a great balance sheet. My point is I'm not going to trust what comes out of UR or the local media (who is well known not to rock the boat or ask hard questions & more likely to carry the water for Mooney & admin) when there is so much gray and vagueness and secrecy, epecially when it's so simple to be transparent on the highest paid (minus the Spider Investment guy who's income is variable) and highest visible employee at the University.

we can all choose to believe what we want. I have no reason to doubt we're around $2M. that's substantially more than it was a couple years ago. and we've seen in print that the top A10 schools are around $5M. so yeah, I believe we're a lot short.

and yes ... this like many things is on Mooney and Hardt. they're not the only guys who haven't embrased NIL. but you can't fight it. raise the money.

 

[*23*]

Agree Go. I pointed out somewhere else, NIL and the new NIL rules that keep coming just keep giving Mooney more excuses. Great to see moon essentially is the same win percentage no matter what the scenario. We can probably run the same numbers pre practice facility, pre chartered flights, pre academic standards loosening. But moon love this new environment because the changes (aka excuses ) just keep coming

 

[*23*]

Agree raise the money. But again, it seems with the new opt in, the raising part is going to the school and getting it?

And put me in the crowd that no way no how believes any propaganda coming from the Triumvirate. We know they lie their a$$es off about scheduling so why oh why im I going to believe about the NIL?

 

[Gallipoli]

I am glad the season is about over.

 

[sman]

Agree raise the money. But again, it seems with the new opt in, the raising part is going to the school and getting it?

And put me in the crowd that no way no how believes any propaganda coming from the Triumvirate. We know they lie their a$$es off about scheduling so why oh why im I going to believe about the NIL?

true, but if they're lying about the $2M NIL ... it's more likely it's less than more!

 

[Gkiller]

true, but if they're lying about the $2M NIL ... it's more likely it's less than more!

but is anybody on the record about $2M?

 

[vt4700]

SLU, VCU and Dayton are 3 of the biggest NIL spenders in the league. is it shocking they're all at the top of the standings?
yes, SJU is doing more with less. once in a while a team spending less will find bargain pieces and do well. but it's typically not sustainable. the Pirates might beat the Dodgers this year too ... but don't bet on it.

anyone can win a game on any given night. but to win throughout the season, you need talent. I have no idea why you think NIL money isn't a huge factor in landing and retaining talent. we're handcuffing ourselves. I know you disagree, but we're not talented enough. our coaching isn't good either, but end of the day we're not talented enough.

I never said NIL isn't a huge factor. Or course it is. I said in my post we all know it's key. But, we aren't talented enough because our coach is not recruiting well, and we lose to teams we should not lose to because our offense stinks, our defense stinks, and we seem to get outcoached nearly every game we play, including by numerous teams who spend way way less on players than we do.

U want to blame that all on NIL. I disagree 100%. I guess you think 5-10 A-10 with OOC losses to Elon, Furman, and Ch Southern is the best we can do with 2 million. I disagree 100%. We have 2 million to spend, yet we start 4 guys who are 6'5 and under, and together are not great fits. Make that make sense. We pay guys who contribute very little, or not at all. Make that make sense.

Also, I guess you think SLU, VCU, and Dayton are all juggernauts. I see flawed teams who have very few good wins. Congrats, they beat bad teams with their 5 million and are at or near the top of the A-10. Which is exactly where a good coach should have us with 2 million. Instead, we are busy being 5-10 A-10 behind teams that spend way less than us. But, sure....keep blaming NIL.

 

[ManiBenton]

An example is a guy like Izaiah Pasha, now at Virginia Tech, played freshman year at Delaware. This is a 6'4/6'5 guard with PG skills, very athletic, quick, strong, touch the paint and finish kick out. Shooting bad 3 pt % this season, but was 30+ at Delaware. BUT unlike the guys we sign, he is a STUD athlete and impact the game on multiple multiple levels. Think a quicker more skilled version of Dji. Now, I did hear he got CRAZY money to go to Tech, and play like 5 mins / game. But maybe that is a guy that wants to come to A10 for a little less, and still play in front of some fans and decent competition (OOC not withstanding)

Pasha made his moment in the caa tournament . He was incredible during Delaware’s surprise run. Remember thinking: he’s going to a high major