Thx. And here it is. I think we have a winning Bingo card. This answers questions. This shows the results & consistency I was expecting. If we come back in 3 more seasons, we'll be probably around the same 54 to 55 pct figures. Good thing there will be weak OOC schedules to offset major A10 losses to keep consistent.
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*23*
Assistant coach
Yep. I saw him play in November of last season, and thought who is this guy? Then found out he was freshman. But I guess my point is, after getting buried on a power conference bench, maybe A10 level looks enticing. And maybe his price tag drops. Definitely worth a feeler to his people. And no not a gaudy offense numbers guy, but unlike our portal adds last two seasons impact game at multiple levels.
I'm not sure he would do better. He hasn't shown the ability to put together a roster in years. Even with additional money, you have to be able to identify players that complement each other. I have no confidence CM can do that on a consistent basis. Plus, he's talking about going back to trying to build a veteran team by focusing on high school recruiting. You just cant count on keeping guys for 3 or 4 years anymore. That system is gone.
Mooney can count on keeping guys longer than most because the facts are UR typically doesn’t develop players that can make an A10 impact in less than 3 years. On the current roster there is 1 exception and he is a small guard. The NIL needs seem pretty simple to me.
sman
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I don't love us trying to compete for high level transfers except to fill holes. we've had more misses than hits. we're just not a top transfer destination. I think we have more worth as a school for kids who do want the degree.
we might be able to get better talent than we have in the past with the high school recruiting approach if we up the NIL. and if we get them and have the appropriate budget, we should be able to retain the ones we really want ... like AA.
we might be able to get better talent than we have in the past with the high school recruiting approach if we up the NIL. and if we get them and have the appropriate budget, we should be able to retain the ones we really want ... like AA.
His record recently is not successful on balance of recruiting hs players. Having more money just puts us in direct competition with everyone else plus or minus in trying to get hs players. That's basically no different than it was before being able to pay freshman. It's just another variable that has to be dealt with.
The issue of those who want the degree you described is this - there are some who definitely want the degree. Are they better players than the ones that have shifted priority to money? My gut tells me not necessarily.
We have a real quagmire now with recruits - both hs & those coming through the portal. Put me in the camp with those that think Mooney has difficulties on both fronts. Throw in his coaching philosophy and game management, and I think we don't have great upside with him. History is not on his side.
Spider17
All A-10 player
Not to mention a significant portion of his high school recruits in recent years have either redshirted on teams that were not good, transferred to lower level programs, or have stayed at UR but not made any sort of All A10 conference team or accolade.
Spider17
All A-10 player
Jon Perry is the coach of a Navy team that operates with no NIL. I feel confident in saying that Navy would beat us 7 out of 10 times on a neutral court right now and finish higher in the A10 than us. There are plenty of coaches from lower mid majors who would enthusiastically lead this program even if we didn’t start them off with a $1.5 million salary and $4 million (or $2 million NIL).
Think what that guy could at UR with all of our resources compared to Navy. Hire that guy to right our ship.
Eight Legger
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Even if we have to eat $4M+ to fire Mooney after this season (and if we do, I'm firing Hardt too for being a freaking moron who gives extensions with no out clauses for no reason at all), we could get a great coach for $800k a year, spend the other $700k we would have been paying Mooney on two solid players and maybe make a tourney within two years. That pays Mooney's buyout and then some, plus winning sells tickets and merch and attracts more NIL $$.
Or, you know, we could just sit around and do nothing and watch that $4.5M burn slowly over the next three years.
Or, you know, we could just sit around and do nothing and watch that $4.5M burn slowly over the next three years.
Gkiller
Bench player
I think we’d pay more but that’s still valid. Even if a mil u r doubling a low level HC salary (plenty of great options) & give him financial incentives for performance. And give him the difference in more NIL.
The extension 2 years ago when Moon already had 3 years left on his contract to take him out 5 years is a fireable offense.
And that’s not 20/20 hindsight. Very few on here supported & the 2 biggest - vt4700 and spider17 - would now admit they were wrong.
MrTbone
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All the money in the world is not going to make CM a dramatically better coach.
I’m aware that’s not your point. We have an NIL problem AND a coaching problem.
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*23*
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Yep, that's the basic gist of the Richmond problem. According to 80sfan, we fixed the "academic problem". Pq fixed the no practice gym and no chartered flights problem. But we still have a coaching problem.
MrTbone
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Fix the problem.
97spiderfan
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Yes, and the NIL problem is only going to get worse because of the coaching problem and our admin needs to recognize that.
1. Program revenue is down, less tickets sales, less TV $$$ (because who wants to put a floundering program on TV) we obviously get very little in NCAA $$$ so we don't make it. So, if you are looking at our balance sheet, less money coming in, means less $$$ to pay players
2. Our SpiderNIL collective. If you are giving big $$$ into that the past 2 years, are you jumping up and down to give more $$$ this year to Mooney so he can deliver a lackluster product.
Whereas, if we bring in a new coach with energy, I think you will see fans embrace the change, will want to buy tickets, the big $$$ who give money will want to give more money into the collective.
If Mooney is here next year though, it just same ole, same ole.
Eight Legger
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Yep, that's it exactly. We have two options: begging people for MORE money after this coach has shown he can't do anything with the money they've already given, or fire him and bring in someone new and exciting who actually wins, and watch more money come in from people who are excited about the future.
History tells us your first option will be the one they take. They'd rather perpetuate the accepted norm rather than fix and play for the future upside. I have zero confidence in UR decision makers.
*23*
Assistant coach
Agree. I have said this for a few years on the boards. My best case scenario is something like this: Mooney crashes out in 27-28 season and is canned or not re-newed (totally forgetting when his current contract runs out). Hardt is still in place and bombs the hiring. Year 2 or 3 Hardt finally gets too tired of making the trek to the Robins Center 5 days a week and retires. Hopefully at that point we get a motivated AD and he can work with the admin and donors etc to bring some life back. I know it's not that rosy of a picture, but its the best I have today.
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