Game Thread - GW @ RC New Years Eve 4pm ESPN+

we no longer crash the boards as we did early OOC, WHY?
Tougher competition. Those low level teams, IMO in this NIL world - have even less talent - especially on the interior. So again, we look good vs them b/c Daughtry, Beagle and Walz are bigger/stronger. GW's front line was not some stiffs. That is the difference I feel, and I posed the question how our front line would adjust. Now Daughtry did have a huge game getting buckets, so that is a very good sign. Was really hoping Grob would be 15-20 minute guy grabbing boards, getting dunks and wreaking havoc, but seems it is another year away.
 
GW had a program high in threes made against us……. History continues to repeat itself
Doesn’t surprise. The wide open 3’s we gift teams is inexcusable. I’d really like to hear what CM has to say about this and why he doesn’t make adjustments to deal with obvious flaws in his defensive CHOICES. Let me guess - he’ll say something like “we need to do a better job of defending”. And then he’ll change nothing, and the results will be more of the same.
 
Tougher competition. Those low level teams, IMO in this NIL world - have even less talent - especially on the interior. So again, we look good vs them b/c Daughtry, Beagle and Walz are bigger/stronger. GW's front line was not some stiffs. That is the difference I feel, and I posed the question how our front line would adjust. Now Daughtry did have a huge game getting buckets, so that is a very good sign. Was really hoping Grob would be 15-20 minute guy grabbing boards, getting dunks and wreaking havoc, but seems it is another year away.
Yeah - but we certainly showed Southern Va, VMI, and Citadel just how tough we were😜.
 
Doesn’t surprise. The wide open 3’s we gift teams is inexcusable. I’d really like to hear what CM has to say about this and why he doesn’t make adjustments to deal with obvious flaws in his defensive CHOICES. Let me guess - he’ll say something like “we need to do a better job of defending”. And then he’ll change nothing, and the results will be more of the same.
Play zone. I know, can't do that because it allows open 3's. At least with zone have a better defense to stop drives to the hoop. Can't be any worse than what we're doing now as far as open looks is concerned.
 
I beat this drum for years. I used to coach travel teams, and typically started my five best defenders - at that level were typically the top players too. But, I think it sets the tone for the game - to say you are not going to get into a rhythm and you are not going to have it easy today. I think too often other teams get what they want and the confidence established early on. Mooney has had some good metric teams on defense, just look back to two years ago with Dji, Bigs, etc. So I think it is very much a personell thing. But I do think when we don't have the guys on D, we don't enforce it enough. I would complain about certain guys being a turnstile out there, but they would not get yanked. I do think the defensive effort is something you have to enforce and have as an expectation to see the court.
But the approach now seems to be not to put the best players on the court the most period. Crazy. It's a tough new world of NIL, and I do understand the loyalty aspect, but by now you should have narrowed the rotation and have guys set into their roles. Seems we are far from that.
I hear u, but do we even have 5 guys we could start as a solid defensive team? That is why I think we have no choice but to run out top 5 offensive guys out there and try to get off to a positive start that way.. And, here's an idea....let's not freaking sub for them at the 18 minute mark. Leave them in for awhile to get into a rhythm, both offensively and defensively. But, I agree we still need to stress defense with these guys. No reason why all of our guys can't give a better effort than they gave against GW.
 
Now we score 85 which is a positive, but 2-3 times we had a run going, big mo was
changing then we made a stupid pass or took a quick shot. Walz and Beagle were both
guilty of ill advised passes that seemed to change momentum. Castro is best big man I have
seen in A10 since Obi Toppin. As far as shooting GW was unbelievable. Was this a fluke or
expected? Walz and Beagle have got to play smarter and be at a senior level vs a freshman.
 
Now we score 85 which is a positive, but 2-3 times we had a run going, big mo was
changing then we made a stupid pass or took a quick shot. Walz and Beagle were both
guilty of ill advised passes that seemed to change momentum. Castro is best big man I have
seen in A10 since Obi Toppin. As far as shooting GW was unbelievable. Was this a fluke or
expected? Walz and Beagle have got to play smarter and be at a senior level vs a freshman.
No doubt GW shot well. Give assist to CM’s defensive scheme that doesn’t guard 3 point shooters. Similar scenario against CSU last week. If we go back and look at film of these games, it’s blatantly apparent how porous our defense is. This is nothing new this year. It doesn’t bode well as we move through league play.
 
No doubt GW shot well. Give assist to CM’s defensive scheme that doesn’t guard 3 point shooters. Similar scenario against CSU last week. If we go back and look at film of these games, it’s blatantly apparent how porous our defense is. This is nothing new this year. It doesn’t bode well as we move through league play.
But at least we get back on D and don't allow fast-break layups!!
 
No doubt GW shot well. Give assist to CM’s defensive scheme that doesn’t guard 3 point shooters. Similar scenario against CSU last week. If we go back and look at film of these games, it’s blatantly apparent how porous our defense is. This is nothing new this year. It doesn’t bode well as we move through league play.
So often it looks like we’re shorthanded trying to kill a power play. There is almost always somebody wide open on the opposing team.
 
But at least we get back on D and don't allow fast-break layups!!
Yep. Reminds me of some idiots I played against in a mens league a long time ago. Couple guys (they were actually pretty good players otherwise) on one of the opposing teams would run back on defense all the way to the baseline behind the basket, touch the baseline, then try to find the open guy or their man. Which led to everyone getting layups right behind them :) most times, or some other easy shot. I heard them telling teamates that is what their HS coach taught them. Very very weird, but the same staunch belief in a broken system.
 
That was like the JV playing the varsity the other day. A couple observations, I had.

1. Lazy play, we got beat on multiple plays by not be ready to play when the whistle blew. Beagle got beat on an inbounds play under our basket, just wasn't ready when the whistle blew, we got beat a long pass out of an inbounds that again we were ready for. A couple other plays which blissfully have been erased from my memory as well.
2. Daughtry scores the first 7 points on the second half and immediately gets taken out (for Colin Tanner no less). Later in the second half, Johnston gets on a heater, scoring 8 straight points, and Mooney again takes him out. Yet one more time, where Mooney complete lack of common coaching sense is just befuddling. If a guy is hot, you feed him, we sit him.
3. Zero halftime adjustments. GW lights us up for 49 points in the first half, using a bunch of high ball screens to get some open looks. You would think we would have said, we are not going to let them do that to us again. But, they come out and first minute or two, high ball screen, 3 ball. After giving up 49, we somehow do worse and give up 50 in the second half.
4. Walz, this guy is supposed to be our all A-10 senior leader. 19 minutes, zero points. Gets absolutely abused by Castro.
5. Aiden did not have a good game but Tyne good lord was abysmal. I'm glad that Mooney has finally replaced Colin Tanner in the starting line up with Daughtry a far and I mean far better player. Why it took him the entire OOC to make this switch is beyond reason. But can we please put our best starting 5 on the court to start the game and lets these guys get some run together?
 
I tend to agree with the sentiments that support starting the best 5 and also then playing them more minutes. However, I honestly don't know who the best 5 are and there are many contenders (not because we have so many great players but because we have a bunch of incomplete, and not great players). I think we all tend to be the most down on Tyne, Tanner and Walz. But I am not so sure its because they aren't among the 5 "best' as much as it is we have seen more of them and all their flaws than the newer guys and we just aren't as sick of the new guys (yet). But as I try to look at things - - I can't get very excited about most of the rest of the group either.

Looking at some of these difficult to put in perspective views - - First team wise - - GW game is such a prime example. We were downright good offensively. 49% overall, 43% from 3 on good volume, got to the line a good amount (and more than GW) and made 80+% FT, more than held our own on the glass (including 10 offensive rebounds) and only turned it over 8 times. That's about as complete of an offensive performance as we can expect. And basically we were never a threat to actually win the game (at home) against a middling conference foe. Then look within the game and see these kinds of things - - Daughtry can and did score, but zero rebounds and was horrible defensively. I was leaning heavily to he is among the best 5 but the more critically I look, he has been a part of the problems and not some shining light for sure. Johnston scored yesterday, but was god awful defensively (and not just yesterday) and was coming off back to back zero point efforts. Is he really clearly one of the best 5?? Beagle looked great for a spell earlier but has now reminded us that against real bigs, he struggles on D and the glass etc. I can make lots of arguments for/against literally every player in the current rotation as to why they are or aren't one of the 5 best who should be starting and getting more minutes.

So I have a new standard for deciding who should play - - how long will you be with the program. Might as well play the guys who will be here the longest and hope they develop! So AA starts and get the most minutes which seems obvious. And Tyne's cedes even more minutes for this to happen. He isn't a senior, but he has played enough that I think we see whatever development there is to see. After that it gets tricky though. First place I start is with AP. He sits to give his minutes to others - - he has been decent but has become the Mooney trained kind of player I hate. Doesn't make a ton of mistakes, runs the Mooney offense well etc, but can't defend and doesn't make any plays really. Not making mistakes doesn't mean you are making plays. A concept Moon man seems to get confused on sometimes. Might be a good guy to have as a sub on a better team, but no place here to be taking time from others as a senior substitute on a mediocre team trying to rebuild. I actually like Thomas as perhaps closest thing we have to a two-way guard and as a Junior, I'd flip flop his and Johnston's role's to see what he can do. We have no choice really but to continue the time share at the 5, but I'd lean more into Walz because i think he is considerably better (not to be confused with good) on D and rebounding etc. especially against better opponents. But I might be looking to play smaller more to get Daughtry and JRob more time. And J Rob is getting a lot more time. And I am finding time for Harper too. That leaves Tanner in the current J Rob role (at best). The big issue here is that Tyne and Tanner (and AP) would lose time (lots) and that's problematic for Mr Loyalty at the helm.

So, AA and Thomas start at guard. I will keep Lopez at the three (i know he is a senior but closest thing we have to two-way player and he is the best of the Seniors). Daughtry and the two headed pivot monster round out my five. And AA, Daughtry get 30 minutes a night and Thomas jumps up to the mid 20's right away and more if it goes well. The two-headed pivot gets 32-35 and we play smaller 5-8 minutes. That leaves me about 25 minutes at guard. Harper get first priority and he gets 15 (and hopefully earns more). Johnston and Tyne get the rest (which may end up Tyne because we will need some PG minutes plus loyalty). That leaves Johnston sorta out but this is where the age part comes in - - - these minutes are better spent on younger people when the seniors aren't that much if any better really. But if Johnston gets those minutes over Tyne, I am fine with that. J Rob gets 10 behind Daughtry and 5 when we play without a real 5. And he gets more if he plays well. That leaves me maybe 15 min behind Lopez (although I'd be pushing Lopex closer to 30 than 25 minutes. So that can get filled with Tanner, AP, three guards (i.e Johnston) etc. So losers are AP and Johnston (Seniors and we have younger options) and Tyne and Tanner (Juniors but lots of experience and no more development left in all likelihood). Winners are Thomas, JRob and Harper (lets see what we have with more minutes for this group) and some time increases for Lopez, AA. Walz/Beagle just keep on truckin - warts and all.

AA 30+
Thomas 25
Daughtry 30
Lopez 28
Pivot Monsters 35 (combined)

Harper 15 (more if he plays well)
JRob 15 (also more if he earns it)
Back Up G 10 (Tyne/ Johnston - but to Harper if he plays well)
Back up F 12 (Tanner/AP - but to JRob if he plays well)

And those back up minutes would all go to one guy or the other for the full 10-12 not 5-6 each). So the rotation will go down by two people.
 
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That was like the JV playing the varsity the other day. A couple observations, I had.

1. Lazy play, we got beat on multiple plays by not be ready to play when the whistle blew. Beagle got beat on an inbounds play under our basket, just wasn't ready when the whistle blew, we got beat a long pass out of an inbounds that again we were ready for. A couple other plays which blissfully have been erased from my memory as well.
2. Daughtry scores the first 7 points on the second half and immediately gets taken out (for Colin Tanner no less). Later in the second half, Johnston gets on a heater, scoring 8 straight points, and Mooney again takes him out. Yet one more time, where Mooney complete lack of common coaching sense is just befuddling. If a guy is hot, you feed him, we sit him.
3. Zero halftime adjustments. GW lights us up for 49 points in the first half, using a bunch of high ball screens to get some open looks. You would think we would have said, we are not going to let them do that to us again. But, they come out and first minute or two, high ball screen, 3 ball. After giving up 49, we somehow do worse and give up 50 in the second half.
4. Walz, this guy is supposed to be our all A-10 senior leader. 19 minutes, zero points. Gets absolutely abused by Castro.
5. Aiden did not have a good game but Tyne good lord was abysmal. I'm glad that Mooney has finally replaced Colin Tanner in the starting line up with Daughtry a far and I mean far better player. Why it took him the entire OOC to make this switch is beyond reason. But can we please put our best starting 5 on the court to start the game and lets these guys get some run together?
Good points. Somebody plz forward those points to Mooney because I think he’s oblivious to what’s going on. Either that or his inflexibility is even more rigid than I’ve thought for years.
 
Castro last season at UR 29 min, 5 points, 11 rebounds
While Walz 25 min, 2 points, 15 rebounds, 3 assists no turnovers. (Where is this guy?)
Beagle 15 min, 1 point, 4 rebounds

At GW, Castro 32 min, 21 points, 15 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks
Walz 10 min, 2 points, 1 rebound, 3 assists, 2 TO
Beagle 11 min, 6 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists, 1 TO
Soulis 19 min, 4 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 TO, 2 blocks
 
I tend to agree with the sentiments that support starting the best 5 and also then playing them more minutes. However, I honestly don't know who the best 5 are and there are many contenders (not because we have so many great players but because we have a bunch of incomplete, and not great players). I think we all tend to be the most down on Tyne, Tanner and Walz. But I am not so sure its because they aren't among the 5 "best' as much as it is we have seen more of them and all their flaws than the newer guys and we just aren't as sick of the new guys (yet). But as I try to look at things - - I can't get very excited about most of the rest of the group either.

Looking at some of these difficult to put in perspective views - - First team wise - - GW game is such a prime example. We were downright good offensively. 49% overall, 43% from 3 on good volume, got to the line a good amount (and more than GW) and made 80+% FT, more than held our own on the glass (including 10 offensive rebounds) and only turned it over 8 times. That's about as complete of an offensive performance as we can expect. And basically we were never a threat to actually win the game (at home) against a middling conference foe. Then look within the game and see these kinds of things - - Daughtry can and did score, but zero rebounds and was horrible defensively. I was leaning heavily to he is among the best 5 but the more critically I look, he has been a part of the problems and not some shining light for sure. Johnston scored yesterday, but was god awful defensively (and not just yesterday) and was coming off back to back zero point efforts. Is he really clearly one of the best 5?? Beagle looked great for a spell earlier but has now reminded us that against real bigs, he struggles on D and the glass etc. I can make lots of arguments for/against literally every player in the current rotation as to why they are or aren't one of the 5 best who should be starting and getting more minutes.

So I have a new standard for deciding who should play - - how long will you be with the program. Might as well play the guys who will be here the longest and hope they develop! So AA starts and get the most minutes which seems obvious. And Tyne's cedes even more minutes for this to happen. He isn't a senior, but he has played enough that I think we see whatever development there is to see. After that it gets tricky though. First place I start is with AP. He sits to give his minutes to others - - he has been decent but has become the Mooney trained kind of player I hate. Doesn't make a ton of mistakes, runs the Mooney offense well etc, but can't defend and doesn't make any plays really. Not making mistakes doesn't mean you are making plays. A concept Moon man seems to get confused on sometimes. Might be a good guy to have as a sub on a better team, but no place here to be taking time from others as a senior substitute on a mediocre team trying to rebuild. I actually like Thomas as perhaps closest thing we have to a two-way guard and as a Junior, I'd flip flop his and Johnston's role's to see what he can do. We have no choice really but to continue the time share at the 5, but I'd lean more into Walz because i think he is considerably better (not to be confused with good) on D and rebounding etc. especially against better opponents. But I might be looking to play smaller more to get Daughtry and JRob more time. And J Rob is getting a lot more time. And I am finding time for Harper too. That leaves Tanner in the current J Rob role (at best). The big issue here is that Tyne and Tanner (and AP) would lose time (lots) and that's problematic for Mr Loyalty at the helm.

So, AA and Thomas start at guard. I will keep Lopez at the three (i know he is a senior but closest thing we have to two-way player and he is the best of the Seniors). Daughtry and the two headed pivot monster round out my five. And AA, Daughtry get 30 minutes a night and Thomas jumps up to the mid 20's right away and more if it goes well. The two-headed pivot gets 32-35 and we play smaller 5-8 minutes. That leaves me about 25 minutes at guard. Harper get first priority and he gets 15 (and hopefully earns more). Johnston and Tyne get the rest (which may end up Tyne because we will need some PG minutes plus loyalty). That leaves Johnston sorta out but this is where the age part comes in - - - these minutes are better spent on younger people when the seniors aren't that much if any better really. But if Johnston gets those minutes over Tyne, I am fine with that. J Rob gets 10 behind Daughtry and 5 when we play without a real 5. And he gets more if he plays well. That leaves me maybe 15 min behind Lopez (although I'd be pushing Lopex closer to 30 than 25 minutes. So that can get filled with Tanner, AP, three guards (i.e Johnston) etc. So losers are AP and Johnston (Seniors and we have younger options) and Tyne and Tanner (Juniors but lots of experience and no more development left in all likelihood). Winners are Thomas, JRob and Harper (lets see what we have with more minutes for this group) and some time increases for Lopez, AA. Walz/Beagle just keep on truckin - warts and all.

AA 30+
Thomas 25
Daughtry 30
Lopez 28
Pivot Monsters 35 (combined)

Harper 15 (more if he plays well)
JRob 15 (also more if he earns it)
Back Up G 10 (Tyne/ Johnston - but to Harper if he plays well)
Back up F 12 (Tanner/AP - but to JRob if he plays well)

And those back up minutes would all go to one guy or the other for the full 10-12 not 5-6 each). So the rotation will go down by two people.
Does Thomas have another year of eligibility left? I thought he was a senior.

I don't disagree with playing the young guys motto but that is not going to happen with Mooney and clearly we can't play without a 5. As for our freshman, Harper looks overmatched physically out there, I get excited about JRob because he is athletically freaking but damn he needs to play better defense.

I wouldn't give much time to AP or Tanner. Both are fairly one dimensional players and I am struggling to even see what that one dimension is.

To me our starting 5 (best 5) is: Aiden, Johnston, Lopez, Daughtry, (Beagle/Walz depending upon match-up). Get Tyne out of the starting line-up, Mooney hangs his hat on Tyne being our best defensive guard, but I see him get toasted a lot out there and I think this is more cover for the fact that Tyne has so many holes in his offensive game, so Mooney justifies his time by saying he is really good defensively. He isn't.

Aiden struggled last game but he is our rare freshman player that you can see will be special. Have to let him learn and play through this as a freshman in hopes that he gets better from it in the following years.
 
That was like the JV playing the varsity the other day. A couple observations, I had.

1. Lazy play, we got beat on multiple plays by not be ready to play when the whistle blew. Beagle got beat on an inbounds play under our basket, just wasn't ready when the whistle blew, we got beat a long pass out of an inbounds that again we were ready for. A couple other plays which blissfully have been erased from my memory as well.
2. Daughtry scores the first 7 points on the second half and immediately gets taken out (for Colin Tanner no less). Later in the second half, Johnston gets on a heater, scoring 8 straight points, and Mooney again takes him out. Yet one more time, where Mooney complete lack of common coaching sense is just befuddling. If a guy is hot, you feed him, we sit him.
3. Zero halftime adjustments. GW lights us up for 49 points in the first half, using a bunch of high ball screens to get some open looks. You would think we would have said, we are not going to let them do that to us again. But, they come out and first minute or two, high ball screen, 3 ball. After giving up 49, we somehow do worse and give up 50 in the second half.
4. Walz, this guy is supposed to be our all A-10 senior leader. 19 minutes, zero points. Gets absolutely abused by Castro.
5. Aiden did not have a good game but Tyne good lord was abysmal. I'm glad that Mooney has finally replaced Colin Tanner in the starting line up with Daughtry a far and I mean far better player. Why it took him the entire OOC to make this switch is beyond reason. But can we please put our best starting 5 on the court to start the game and lets these guys get some run together?

Yes to all. To bad OOC teams, the Mooney systems work, in conference they've got the book on him after 20 years.

Not to mention, we had 2 flying dutchman 4 point plays pretty much in a row.

Our press is also a mess, we never trap or go for steals, so all it does is get us out of position on D. See below.


And some of the lazy examples:



This is a good one too. AA left on an island covering 2 guys on the perimeter
 
No doubt GW shot well. Give assist to CM’s defensive scheme that doesn’t guard 3 point shooters. Similar scenario against CSU last week. If we go back and look at film of these games, it’s blatantly apparent how porous our defense is. This is nothing new this year. It doesn’t bode well as we move through league play.
Our guards run under the screener too often and the defender on screener does not hedge enough to
disrupt the screen. Also in GW game I watched a few times our defender face guarding their man in the lane
with their back to the dribbler who takes advantage and drives lane for an easy shot. Honestly I think in AAU
defensive skills teaching is low on the totem pole. Tony Dobbins, Francis Martel, Kevin Smith, Darius Garrett
David Gonzalvez were exceptions to the rule.
 
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