David Thomas Entering the Transfer Portal
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*23*
Assistant coach
Again, he may not get a degree in 4 years, but will be ahead of 99% of students financially if he has to go a 5th year. A) He will have paid zero tuition and room and board and other perks. B) Will have landed NIL bucks, not funny money but I bet Depaul paid him something decent.
sman
All A-10 player
I've come around on this. I went to UR for 4 years and it's allowed me to sit in a leather chair for 40+ years staring at beige walls. that's what I wanted. it's not for everyone. if a kid doesn't care about the degree, that's his choice. plenty of jobs don't require a degree.
97spiderfan
Starter
Agree, but if they don't care about the degree, why are they in college in the first place?
To make money through NIL. For a number of players these four years may be some of the highest earning years in their life
Bingo. Of course the problem is that there is no established “minor leagues” for basketball other than the collegiate system in the US. Obviously the NBA’s G league is supposed to fill the void and there was some movement for high school players to go directly to that league, but of course the money isn’t there. So instead, colleges are supposed to finance the players and give them opportunities. The whole system is broken.
sman
All A-10 player
what's broken about it? both parties get what they want.
I agree. My take is that this is what college bb has evolved to. Not sure this is the end and what the next iteration of evolution looks like, but it’s coming down the road.
97spiderfan
Starter
Who is paying the bills for "both parties". This money just does not come out of thin air. Also look at college hoops now, you got pros coming over from International ball because they can make more money than they do in professional leagues elsewhere. Of course, this denies opportunities for high school hoopers, you know kids who actually want to go to college to get a degree and playing hoops may be their ticket to do that, but sure give their spot to a 23 year old pro from Europe.
sman
All A-10 player
not sure what you mean. what bills? there's no incremental cost to the school taking a kid who doesn't graduate. either way you're using 15 scholarships. schools make more money by winning though.
you're talking about a remarkably small percentage players. and the increase from 13 to 15 scholarships this year more than makes up for that. there were more kids on scholarship this year than ever before.
What did UR get from players who come to play for Mooney for one year?
sman
All A-10 player
I'd say UR more than got their money's worth with Jordan King.
I'm not going to blame the entire system just because Richmond didn't win enough with Johnston & Lopez.
First, I think Jordan King is a great example of a student athlete and I enjoyed watching him play. I specifically didn’t name any specific players because I don’t want to make this personal.
However in the case of the best portal find to date for the current coaching staff, I see very little that the University received. NCAA units = 0. Future high impact transfers = 0. Avg Attendance = Down his year and year after. Program did get credit for a share of the A10 regular season title. Jordan likely received very little NIL dollars so the benefits still may have outweighed the cost.
Doesn’t seem to be working out to me.
*23*
Assistant coach
Their actually was one such league (or there may have been a couple) Overtime Elite - that was a place that guys that didn't want to go to college could go to prep for the pros. Quickly, OTE could not compete with the college salaries once NIL hit.
Thanks 23. I knew there was something in the interim but couldn’t recall the name or details. I am sure that was part of the problem. Goes to show to that the players get the intangible benefit called exposure when they play in college. The same player in OTE would get many less eyeballs simply because he isn’t wearing a jersey that has any history behind it.
sman
All A-10 player
no units, but I'll assume attendance and concessions are up in a 23-10 season.
and there's the less tangible benefits to winning in a flagship program. student and alumni engagement has lasting benefits that you mostly only get from winning. which is why colleges have always invested in players, since way before NIL.
97spiderfan
Starter
I mean the 5-10 million schools are spending annually for kids to play basketball and at the rate of increase we are seeing it will be 15-20 million in a couple years. Where is this ever increasing line item coming from in the budget at schools?
sman
All A-10 player
I thought we were talking about kids who come and don't graduate vs 2 to 4 year guys who get their degree?
there's likely no difference in NIL between them.
the total NIL budget is a different story. every team has to decide what their investment will be. we won't just spend because SLU does. to play in the high major pool, you're going to have to spend though.
there's likely no difference in NIL between them.
the total NIL budget is a different story. every team has to decide what their investment will be. we won't just spend because SLU does. to play in the high major pool, you're going to have to spend though.
Spider17
Assistant coach
SLU also recognizes that Josh Schertz is a fantastic coach. Giving a fantastic coach who can recruit and develop players really well, even more resources/money is a recipe for success. Can take their men's bball program to the next level. We do not have that with Mooney. We can give Mooney all the money in the world and there will be a limit of what he can achieve. It is what it is and not worth discussing for the 100th time again. That's why my focus has shifted on Roussell. Roussell appears committed to this university which is wonderful to see and we appear committed to him. He can be the Josh Schertz for us on the women's side. Same with Chemotti with men's lacrosse.
Until our university recognizes that with men's basketball, we will be stuck in purgatory where we will endlessly debate whether JRob's 3 ppg or Harper's 3 ppg will be better for us next year. I just hope and pray that one day we can break from this cycle, find our Josh Schertz for men's basketball and give that coach the resources to succeed.
Until our university recognizes that with men's basketball, we will be stuck in purgatory where we will endlessly debate whether JRob's 3 ppg or Harper's 3 ppg will be better for us next year. I just hope and pray that one day we can break from this cycle, find our Josh Schertz for men's basketball and give that coach the resources to succeed.
