For a new coach, how about ...
- Thread starter Gallipoli
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Yep. I get to send my patented response soon. And when some poor unsuspecting student calls I'll get to listen to the dead silence on the other end of phone before telling them it's not on them but pass my sentiments along please.
Also, please explain how we lost to Ch Southern, Elon, and Furman, also 7 garbage OOC teams last year, and plenty of bad A-10 teams when our 2 million NIL was more than their NIL???
Why do we need to wait and see what our coach does with 4+ million NIL? We already know what he has done when having more NIL money than most of our opponents, and the result has been 1 Q1/Q2 win and 22 Q3/Q4 losse the last 2 years. Let me repeat that:
Last 2 seasons:
1 Q1/Q2 win.
22 Q3/Q4 losses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spider17
Assistant coach
Exactly VT. This notion of giving him multiple years to see how he does with a “competitive budget” when ignoring the fact our budget has been higher than a lot of other mediocre/bad teams in non-con and A10 the past couple of years and we still lost.
To me, it’s becoming more clear that our goal isn’t to be at the top of the A10 like a SLU/VCU/Dayton. It’s hoping that our increased budget will allow us to have enough talent, where even with bad coaching, we can turn some of those Q3/4 losses to wins instead of trying to get more Q1/2 wins.
Having a lousy schedule next year + increased NIL budget will probably get us a few more Q3/4 wins for our goal of a 20 win season.
A 20 win season & top 8 finish in the A10 might get Mooney an extension. I am not even joking when I write this. He might honestly get an extension for those kinds of results.
Our goal is to keep CM as coach. Wins don’t matter, conf championships don’t matter, NCAA Tourney doesn’t matter. Keeping coach for life… now that matters.
There’s more than enough stats and lack of success to back that up.
*23*
Assistant coach
Probably would. And Hardt would make a grand statement how our renewed commitment has us pointed in the right direction. And we are going to cement this direction with a 4 year extension for the dean of A10 coaches.
Yep. 11-2 OOC against a garabge schedule. 9-9 A-10 for a 20-11 regular season. Probably 2 Q1/Q2 wins and 7 Q3/Q4 losses, which is better than the 1 Q1/2 win and 9 Q3/4 losses from this year, so Peter Thomas can talk after next season about what a dramatic improvement we made.
We will continue to be irrelevant. We will continue to lose to teams we should never lose to. We will continue to get smoked twice by VCU. We will continue to run the same easy to defend offense and play the same easy to attack defense. We will continue to hear excuses. We will continue to not be in the at large consideration. We will continue to have an OOC schedule around 350. And, we will continue to lose our 1st round A-10 tourney game, ending our season at 20-12 with very few memorable moments, making all us on here beyond frustrated, while Mooney will talk about how proud he is of the team for reaching 20 wins, and Hardt will send out a letter saying how great things are after a fantastic 20 win season.
Wood Hall
Bench player
I'll continue to divide my donation between women's basketball and baseball. Men's basketball gets nothing until a coaching change is made.
SpiderPrime
Starter
You must be one of the little old curmudgeon ladies from facebook
brooklyn brownstone
Starter
man, it's rough around here.
I'm no supporter of the current regime and think they need to go. However, they said they support the school, not necessarily only Moon backer. Understand harping on the multiple years thing, and I agree that ship has sailed bc of 21 years of results, but maybe respectfully disagree without the hardcore assumptions. No need to pummel our own here.
If it were the clowns posting how underappreciated Moon is, or similar, that's another story. Those deserve full ridicule.
I'm no supporter of the current regime and think they need to go. However, they said they support the school, not necessarily only Moon backer. Understand harping on the multiple years thing, and I agree that ship has sailed bc of 21 years of results, but maybe respectfully disagree without the hardcore assumptions. No need to pummel our own here.
If it were the clowns posting how underappreciated Moon is, or similar, that's another story. Those deserve full ridicule.
PhillySpider
Starter
I will add that our coach makes considerably more (salary) than many (most) of the A-10 coaches. So our investment in the basketball program isn't as far behind as many like to pretend.
And if all that matters is NIL dollars why do we pay our coach more than everyone else and certainly more than the others with such "terribly low" NIL investment. I presume its because we think he can do more with less. But lets review - - - he has done less with less NIL than a few teams we play (this is not a positive thing - - but not a horrible thing either). He has also - - donel ess with the same NIL as many and less with more NIL than some. He does less than almost anyone realistically. Did he do more than anyone with the same or more NIL. No he did not!
And he does less with more coaching salary (and years for much of his tenure) than virtually everyone! And I will add once again - - that we have have less NIL is significantly on him for running a program that can't raise more because no one believes in the coach enough to give money!
Well sure, lets see how he does the next few years with more NIL and his continued inflated salary!
If NIL is all that matters, lets reallocate some his salary to NIL since coaching isn't important - - just NIL budget! I'll coach for a minimum and we'll use all the extra money for even more NIL and I am sure we will be great since its just NIL that matters!
And if all that matters is NIL dollars why do we pay our coach more than everyone else and certainly more than the others with such "terribly low" NIL investment. I presume its because we think he can do more with less. But lets review - - - he has done less with less NIL than a few teams we play (this is not a positive thing - - but not a horrible thing either). He has also - - donel ess with the same NIL as many and less with more NIL than some. He does less than almost anyone realistically. Did he do more than anyone with the same or more NIL. No he did not!
And he does less with more coaching salary (and years for much of his tenure) than virtually everyone! And I will add once again - - that we have have less NIL is significantly on him for running a program that can't raise more because no one believes in the coach enough to give money!
Well sure, lets see how he does the next few years with more NIL and his continued inflated salary!
If NIL is all that matters, lets reallocate some his salary to NIL since coaching isn't important - - just NIL budget! I'll coach for a minimum and we'll use all the extra money for even more NIL and I am sure we will be great since its just NIL that matters!
Fatherspider
Bench player
Stop with mediocre… the past two seasons have been horrendous. Easiest schedule ever only reason CM won more that 10 games. Give him Duke’s NIL and we still wouldnt make the tournament. Give hime a couple of years… holy crap. Just wasting money. Buffoony.
MrTbone
All A-10 player
I will stay on repeat as long as I feel the need. I’ll repeat this one: our NIL surely wasn’t the reason we lost to Furman, Elon or Charleston Southern.
Fixing a problem, any problem, starts with being honest about what the problem is. You can’t rationally say that our only problem is we haven’t had the best players, there are just too many examples of bad player selection, poor in game coaching, and dubious recruitment to simply blame this on money.
These are the ranges according to chat gpt - with the caveat that Schertz new deal is for 3.6 annually. We’d be better served to lop a milli off the big guys salary and put that right into NIL.
Updated:
- Anthony Grant (Dayton) — ~$2.4–2.5M
- Josh Schertz (Saint Louis) — ~$2.0–2.3M
- Archie Miller (Rhode Island) — ~$1.9–2.1M
- Chris Mooney (Richmond) — ~$1.6–1.8M
- Mark Schmidt (St. Bonaventure) — ~$1.4–1.6M
- Chris Caputo (George Washington) — ~$1.2–1.4M
- Darris Nichols (La Salle) — ~$1.1–1.3M
- Dru Joyce III (Duquesne) — ~$1.1–1.3M
- Phil Martelli Jr. (VCU) — ~$1.1–1.3M
- Steve Donahue (Saint Joseph’s) — ~$1.0–1.2M
- Matt McKillop (Davidson) — ~$0.8–1.0M
- Tony Skinn (George Mason) — ~$0.8–1.0M
- Mike Magpayo (Fordham) — ~$0.9–1.1M
- Drew Valentine (Loyola Chicago) — ~$0.7–0.9M
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MrTbone
All A-10 player
Man, you’ve really come around.
Spiders4ever
Starter
Urgo and Lange didn't coach this past year in the A10
And that’s why AI has its flaws
(updated)Neither did Mooney. Not sure where he is.
It's also undercounting Martelli, for sure. That contract is known and it was for $1.455m base, increasing by $100k per year in years 2–5.
And there are of course incentives on top of that and he's obviously raking those in as well. $15k for solo or shared A-10 regular season champ, check. $15k for A-10 tourney champ, check. $25k for NCAA tournament bid, check. $37.5k for making round of 32, check. $10k for 20+ wins, check. $3,500 for each national TV network game, check times about 20 or so. Plus some academic performance bonuses.
And there are of course incentives on top of that and he's obviously raking those in as well. $15k for solo or shared A-10 regular season champ, check. $15k for A-10 tourney champ, check. $25k for NCAA tournament bid, check. $37.5k for making round of 32, check. $10k for 20+ wins, check. $3,500 for each national TV network game, check times about 20 or so. Plus some academic performance bonuses.
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