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I think Hardt has faced the same conditions wirh CM that two other ADs (let that sink in) faced before him. CM is just good enough to make it hard to move on.

You mention the five year stretch and wonder why folks can’t acknowledge the merit of that. You see it as five good years I gather. I saw one great year cut short by Covid, another year that ended up being awesome but only because we got a little lightning in the bottle at the A10 tournament after an underwhelming regular season, and a third season where we kind of miraculously strung something together to win the conference title while having zero at large chance of making the ncaa tournament. These were sandwiched around another weird underperforming season and a losing season.

It’s hard for me to see any consistent upward trajectory in there. This is a 20+ year pattern, I can of course see this season out but there’s very little coming that I don’t feel like I’ve seen before.

Conversely, Hardt seems to have made a great hire in Roussell, why we wouldn’t want something similar for MBB is baffling.
 
MrTbone said:
I think Hardt has faced the same conditions wirh CM that two other ADs (let that sink in) faced before him. CM is just good enough to make it hard to move on.

You mention the five year stretch and wonder why folks can’t acknowledge the merit of that. You see it as five good years I gather. I saw one great year cut short by Covid, another year that ended up being awesome but only because we got a little lightning in the bottle at the A10 tournament after an underwhelming regular season, and a third season where we kind of miraculously strung something together to win the conference title while having zero at large chance of making the ncaa tournament. These were sandwiched around another weird underperforming season and a losing season.

It’s hard for me to see any consistent upward trajectory in there. This is a 20+ year pattern, I can of course see this season out but there’s very little coming that I don’t feel like I’ve seen before.

Conversely, Hardt seems to have made a great hire in Roussell, why we wouldn’t want something similar for MBB is baffling.
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We can’t as fans both complain that we aren’t making enough NCAA tournaments and when we do make an NCAA tournament (and win a game) devalue that by saying it was done by catching light in a bottle. It goes both ways. We made the tournament and Mooney should get credit for that. Same way if we didn’t that year with that class, that would’ve probably been the final straw.

As far as your point about varying years where one year we won the A10 tournament, the next year we stunk, and the following year we won A10 regular season, I agree (think we agree here?) that those are not signs of building a program with sustained success. But sometimes, the ends justify the means and we got the good results. It’s almost like having a friend constantly gamble to make money, but is winning enough so you can’t criticize it even if you know that’s not the best way to go about it.

Right now, Mooney’s Jordan King luck of getting good transfers who come in and make instant impact seems to be running out and he is not showing me other ways of sustaining a winning program. It’s quite the contrary actually with how many players we’ve had leave the programs over the years who weren’t A10 or lower mid major caliber players. There’s nothing to suggest about building off of core players like we did with 2018-2019. Every year, we as fans will have no idea what to expect and instead hope that Mooney and staff do well with the portal, which has not seemed the case up to this point, but we should all wait to give our final judgement on this year’s team when the season ends.

Also, many seem to want to diminish the A10 regular season championship but I think that was definitely a successful season.
 
Spider17 said:
We can’t as fans both complain that we aren’t making enough NCAA tournaments and when we do make an NCAA tournament (and win a game) devalue that by saying it was done by catching light in a bottle. It goes both ways. We made the tournament and Mooney should get credit for that. Same way if we didn’t that year with that class, that would’ve probably been the final straw.

As far as your point about varying years where one year we won the A10 tournament, the next year we stunk, and the following year we won A10 regular season, I agree (think we agree here?) that those are not signs of building a program with sustained success. But sometimes, the ends justify the means and we got the good results. It’s almost like having a friend constantly gamble to make money, but is winning enough so you can’t criticize it even if you know that’s not the best way to go about it.

Right now, Mooney’s Jordan King luck of getting good transfers who come in and make instant impact seems to be running out and he is not showing me other ways of sustaining a winning program. It’s quite the contrary actually with how many players we’ve had leave the programs over the years who weren’t A10 or lower mid major caliber players. There’s nothing to suggest about building off of core players like we did with 2018-2019. Every year, we as fans will have no idea what to expect and instead hope that Mooney and staff do well with the portal, which has not seemed the case up to this point, but we should all wait to give our final judgement on this year’s team when the season ends.

Also, many seem to want to diminish the A10 regular season championship but I think that was definitely a successful season.
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Ftr, I’m not diminishing the ncaa year, it is what it is and I was super pleased with their effort. Perhaps lightning in a bottle is poor word choice. I think what it goes to show though is there’s an inability to drive success. That team was by all accounts loaded with talent and experience and we finished 6th in conference. So I’m looking at the five year run and see no consistency or trajectory.

At some point UR made the decision long ago that it wasn’t going to fire a coach barring dreadful performance or some kind of bad behavior threshold. So I don’t see any change forthcoming.
 
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Nope, any coaching change talk is just talk on this board. If we only win 6 games in conference (I think we should win many more) , Mooney will point to an AA and Harper back court of the future.

Crazy that Jrob and McGlothin can't get minutes. That is not great for Mooneys HS recruit prioritizing.
 
MrTbone said:
Ftr, I’m not diminishing the ncaa year, it is what it is and I was super pleased with their effort. Perhaps lightning in a bottle is poor word choice. I think what it goes to show though is there’s an inability to drive success. That team was by all accounts loaded talent and experience an we finished 6th in conference. So I’m looking at the rice year run and see no consistency or trajectory.

At some point UR made the decision long ago that it wasn’t going to fire a coach barring dreadful performance or some kind of bad behavior threshold. So I don’t see any change forthcoming.
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We aren’t going anywhere this year. St.Louis, George Mason and VCU are in the way. George Washington is likely to make the NIT this year. I see us playing a pointless CBI or some tournament lower than NIT
 
vt4700 said:
Only Daughtry, a transfer, and Aiden, a recruit, are juniors or younger who compare to the 6 guys above. So, there is your difference right there. The portal can help and it needs to help big time, but right after this year, we will have 2 guys, not 6, that we feel real good about. That is a dramatic difference.
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I think Harper might be a guy. it's tougher today to get time as a freshman with the 15 man roster and all the upper class transfers joining and filling spots, but Harper's getting more time already and looks good out there.
 
sman said:
I think Harper might be a guy. it's tougher today to get time as a freshman with the 15 man roster and all the upper class transfers joining and filling spots, but Harper's getting more time already and looks good out there.
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Nice to see another freshman get some minutes. If he is good and better than what we have, play him more!!! We know what we have with Tyne and Tanner. We should recruit well enough to have a freshman better than them right now as a true freshman. Hopefully, Harper is that guy.
 
agreed with Johnston.
I don't remember why he didn't get shots up for a couple games, but I put that more on him than Mooney.
Mooney doesn't run plays for guys much. I know many of you have issues with that, but our offense historically provides plenty of opportunities for our best players to get shots. Johnston has to be assertive. he has been the past two games.
 
sman said:
agreed with Johnston.
I don't remember why he didn't get shots up for a couple games, but I put that more on him than Mooney.
Mooney doesn't run plays for guys much. I know many of you have issues with that, but our offense historically provides plenty of opportunities for our best players to get shots. Johnston has to be assertive. he has been the past two games.
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historically, yes. But specifically, if a team either game plans against a guy, or throws a curveball - that's on Moon to adjust. Not his strong suit by a mile.

As I mentioned in another thread, CharSo sagged off our bigs and so our two bigs took 18 total shots (but only 3 three point attempts) - most of which were just awful mid range.

I don't recall the specifics of the Citadel game where Johnston took no FGA.

My point is that Moon's offense tries to get the best shot available, and often ends with a shot by the worst offensive player on the court, or the least efficient shot in the game (both bc those are the shots left open by the defense.) Sometimes you need to stop taking what they are purposefully giving you, and take a shot that you want, by the guy you want shooting. Get a guy open via a unique set, draw something up, or simply just adjust.
 
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