Mikel Tyne Transferring

[vt4700]

So here is the problem with the current state of college basketball - A guy like Tyne is transferring to a school on this list for one more year of college basketball. Whether he was asked to move on, had his NIL reduced/eliminated and/or wants more (uh no!), or just wants more playing time next year, he is going to abandon 3 years of schooling/education at a school like Richmond to end up getting a degree (maybe? hopefully? ) from one of these schools? So he swaps a UR degree for a UC Upstate degree (even after putting in three years at UR) in exchange for 20 min more per game playing in the Big South? Does this seem wise in any way?

I don't mean to be criticizing Tyne here because by all accounts a good guy, good teammate etc. and he is just emblematic of the problem not part of it. But the whole portal/NIL thing was/is a creation for maximizing value for maybe the Top 100-150 players. The rest are just caught up in it and for a few, its a good thing but for a whole host like this, its just awful really. And as much as I think Moon needs to go, I will acknowledge how much harder this whole era is on Mid-majors and their coaches!

But, this is 100% Tyne's decision. You have to accept that not at all players think alike. You look at it like a degree from Richmond is everything. Plenty and I mean plenty of kids go to school for basketball. And others go for both hoops and a degree. Tyne looks at it like he has one year of basketball left and wants to make the most of it. I see no issue with Tyne's decsion at all.

And let's say he does get a degree at USC Upstate. Do you really think no graduates from there ever do well for themselves? If I am interviewing Tyne:
1. He seems like a very intelligent and high character guy to me. Someone every organization would want.
2. The fact that he played ball for 4 years and got a degree shows a great work ethic to me.
3. I can look at the fact he played ball at Richmond for 3 years and consider that very impressive, with or without a degree from there. Why would I need to see a 4th year there to prove Tyne is the right guy for the job I offer?
4. I am looking for the best guy for the job, not who has the best degree.
5. My guess is Tyne will do very well for himself down the road, no matter where he transfers to.

 

[Eight Legger]

I personally would always hire a guy from UC Upstate over one from UC Downstate.

 

[SFspidur]

USC Upstate is so unknown that people don't even get its name right.

 

[sman]

the company I'm at loves D1 athletes. I'm sure many do. it's really impressive to get a degree, especially at a well regarded school, and compete at the D1 level in anything.

 

[vt4700]

We might think it's dumb, but the kids have the choice. If he's trying to major in basketball, then he wants to get the best basketball job he can get. Playing 15 minutes a game here vs. 35 minutes a game at Upstate with a chance to put a lot more of his skillset on video for someone to see may be more appealing to him. I imagine most kids at this level feel (and maybe rightfully so) that they have a decent shot at playing professionally somewhere. So they're trying to maximize that opportunity.

You and I really value our UR degrees for what they represent, but I suspect kids these days are less concerned about that. And frankly, so are many employers.

Very well said, and the key is the last statement. Employers just don't worry about resumes and where you got yoir degree much anymore. They just don't.

 

[vt4700]

the company I'm at loves D1 athletes. I'm sure many do. it's really impressive to get a degree, especially at a well regarded school, and compete at the D1 level in anything.

No doubt. 100%.

 

[Spiderguy]

Very well said, and the key is the last statement. Employers just don't worry about resumes and where you got yoir degree much anymore. They just don't.

I hired many people during my career. For entry level jobs I probably paid some attention to where applicants got their degree. For higher level jobs, I was much more interested in experience, skills, technical expertise, and communication skills.

 

[MrTbone]

Very well said, and the key is the last statement. Employers just don't worry about resumes and where you got yoir degree much anymore. They just don't.

I don’t think that’s entirely accurate. As AI is advancing, it’s being used in substantial ways to identify, assess and filter job candidates. So one such filter is something akin to a “Top100 school” that eliminates candidates based on some external ranking.

It’s obviously not applicable to all scenarios, but I’ve seen this kind of thing in action already and was kind of horrified but impressed with how it parses a massive candidate list down to something manageable.

 

[vt4700]

I don’t think that’s entirely accurate. As AI is advancing, it’s being used in substantial ways to identify, assess and filter job candidates. So one such filter is something akin to a “Top100 school” that eliminates candidates based on some external ranking.

It’s obviously not applicable to all scenarios, but I’ve seen this kind of thing in action already and was kind of horrified but impressed with how it parses a massive candidate list down to something manageable.

I have seen and read and also know from talking to a lot of people that many companies don't look at degrees and resumes nearly as much anymore. I guess some might go the AI route to narrow down applicants, but there is always the question of how accurate are resumes? The bottom line is there is nothing better than a good interview, and I would not want to eliminate a solid candidate because their school ranked 101 and not 100 on some list.

 

[Urmite]

I’m waiting until I can have only a bachelors degree in philosophy and get my first job as a heart surgeon…

 

[MrTbone]

I have seen and read and also know from talking to a lot of people that many companies don't look at degrees and resumes nearly as much anymore. I guess some might go the AI route to narrow down applicants, but there is always the question of how accurate are resumes? The bottom line is there is nothing better than a good interview, and I would not want to eliminate a solid candidate because their school ranked 101 and not 100 on some list.

I know what you’re saying, I’m merely telling you that this is the new normal based on what I’ve seen, at least for young folks who are recent grads with no experience, or for folks who may be in fields where there are masses of candidates.

This isn’t the case everywhere, but I do think one of the advantages a UR degree gets you is some cachet when employers are screening. I’m way more likely to consider a UR grad (or Wake or Bucknell) than I am the kid from Cal State Chico.

 

[sman]

I have seen and read and also know from talking to a lot of people that many companies don't look at degrees and resumes nearly as much anymore. I guess some might go the AI route to narrow down applicants, but there is always the question of how accurate are resumes? The bottom line is there is nothing better than a good interview, and I would not want to eliminate a solid candidate because their school ranked 101 and not 100 on some list.

true, nothing is better than a good interview. but if you advertise for an opening, you get hundreds of applications. you have to narrow it down somehow. can't interview everyone.