We are being materially outspent

SpiderTrue said:
A part of me gets the frustration, but context matters. Coach Mooney has been here over 20 years because he’s built stability at a place that simply doesn’t have the same resources as the top of this league. Look at what’s happening across the conference — the upper-tier programs as mentioned are spending at levels that are more in line with the Big East than any "mid-major". That’s not speculation; it’s reality in the NIL era. You can’t expect a smaller school to line up financially with programs operating with power-conference money.

Could results be better? Sure they could, but acting like this is an even playing field ignores what’s actually happening in college basketball right now. Stability, competitive seasons, and staying relevant in the conference race are accomplishments when you’re not spending at the top of the market. If we want different results, it absolutely starts with matching the investment — not just swapping out the guy who’s been holding the program together for two decades.
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Did Elon, Furman, and Ch Southern match our investment? How about Marist, La Tech and about 5 other teams last year? Did they match? And, how come A-10 teams who spend less than us have beaten us as well? So, are you saying with the 2 million we are spending, we should just accept that we will win about 5 or 6 games in the A-10 every year? We are 9-22 in our last 31 A-10 games and also have about 10 bad OOC losses the past 2 years to teams we spend more than, some a whole lot more, and you want to use the money excuse? Sorry, not buying it. Oh, and we are 4-6 this season against A-10 teams not named SLU, Dayton, or VCU just incase we want to keep pretending they are the issue here.
 
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SpiderTrue said:
A part of me gets the frustration, but context matters. Coach Mooney has been here over 20 years because he’s built stability at a place that simply doesn’t have the same resources as the top of this league. Look at what’s happening across the conference — the upper-tier programs as mentioned are spending at levels that are more in line with the Big East than any "mid-major". That’s not speculation; it’s reality in the NIL era. You can’t expect a smaller school to line up financially with programs operating with power-conference money.

Could results be better? Sure they could, but acting like this is an even playing field ignores what’s actually happening in college basketball right now. Stability, competitive seasons, and staying relevant in the conference race are accomplishments when you’re not spending at the top of the market. If we want different results, it absolutely starts with matching the investment — not just swapping out the guy who’s been holding the program together for two decades.
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Just go back to ram nation already
 
SpiderTrue said:
A part of me gets the frustration, but context matters. Coach Mooney has been here over 20 years because he’s built stability at a place that simply doesn’t have the same resources as the top of this league. Look at what’s happening across the conference — the upper-tier programs as mentioned are spending at levels that are more in line with the Big East than any "mid-major". That’s not speculation; it’s reality in the NIL era. You can’t expect a smaller school to line up financially with programs operating with power-conference money.

Could results be better? Sure they could, but acting like this is an even playing field ignores what’s actually happening in college basketball right now. Stability, competitive seasons, and staying relevant in the conference race are accomplishments when you’re not spending at the top of the market. If we want different results, it absolutely starts with matching the investment — not just swapping out the guy who’s been holding the program together for two decades.
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haha, as if our program was in constant disarray between 1981 and 2004. Thankfully we have this stability now and can rely on .550 each and every season overall and in conference.

Compete, stay relevant (but don't you dare win) in conference race. Most of all, stay stable. The true accomplishments.

Raise multiple banners.
 
brooklyn brownstone said:
haha, as if our program was in constant disarray between 1981 and 2004. Thankfully we have this stability now and can rely on .550 each and every season overall and in conference.

Compete, stay relevant (but don't you dare win) in conference race. Most of all, stay stable. The true accomplishments.

Raise multiple banners.
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Stability is VERY important when boating. Where’s the A10 regatta? I don’t recall any rowing or sailing teams.
 
SpiderTrue said:
A part of me gets the frustration, but context matters. Coach Mooney has been here over 20 years because he’s built stability at a place that simply doesn’t have the same resources as the top of this league. Look at what’s happening across the conference — the upper-tier programs as mentioned are spending at levels that are more in line with the Big East than any "mid-major". That’s not speculation; it’s reality in the NIL era. You can’t expect a smaller school to line up financially with programs operating with power-conference money.

Could results be better? Sure they could, but acting like this is an even playing field ignores what’s actually happening in college basketball right now. Stability, competitive seasons, and staying relevant in the conference race are accomplishments when you’re not spending at the top of the market. If we want different results, it absolutely starts with matching the investment — not just swapping out the guy who’s been holding the program together for two decades.
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Brooklyn said it, but what r u talking about. U of R has always had great resources. We were well above VCU in resources for a long time. Maybe we r behind them in NIL now, but that is a very recent occurence. Why was Moon going 3 for 21 NCAA and 9-28 vs. VCU before all that too?

Stability Schwability. what has that got us. holding the program together is downright laughable. like another coach couldn't do it. Moon didn't invent Richmond basketball, it had been in a better place pre-Moon. The FACT is 3 out of 4 prior coaches did better. To raise $ you need a coach people believe in, want to follow, get you excited. All things Moon lacks. Raising $ in this era is a lot on the coaches whether they r personally doing it or not. It ain't going to be Hardt I tell u. get a new coach and watch investment improve.
 
Yep, that is a funny one, holding the program together? WHAT? Our best model is get the JB up and comer who has shown he can win at lower levels without the resources. Get that guy and get 2-3 NCAA's in a 5 year period, let him go to a higher league. Rinse and Repeat. This narrative about Mooney being so good for the school is the biggest load of BS I have heard. What is good for the school is NCAA tournaments, which puts eyes on the school and drives applications from the athletic side. Not a coach with bland and average speaking skills that wins at a .55 clip and makes more excuses than anyone I know. Yes, NIL is important, but you really need to have a guy that can coach, and is motivated to get players NIL being equal.
 
RichmondNative said:
Can’t believe that significantly more money is needed to retain any of the returning players and there are limited open spots unless players are booted from the team and we know UR doesn’t operate that way.
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we haven't historically taken away a kid's scholarship. but NIL is different. not everyone gets the NIL trophy.
teams do "encourage" transfers by reducing, eliminating, or just not increasing NIL to where a player feels he should be. we have to be smart with the resources we have.

I want kids to want to get their UR degree. but if you aren't performing well enough, then the scholarship is enough ... if you choose to stay. if the money or playing time is more important than the UR degree, you're welcome to chase either.
 
A required part of the job right now is to drive interest, and dollars, to the program. If you won't do it, get a GM that will so that you can only worry about calling the plays. Mooney won't do it, and won't get a GM, and therefore isn't doing the job.

He's living in the past. The D1 he wants to coach in no longer exists, and isn't coming back. Mooney should move to D3 if he only wants to do what he's currently doing.
 
sman said:
we haven't historically taken away a kid's scholarship. but NIL is different. not everyone gets the NIL trophy.
teams do "encourage" transfers by reducing, eliminating, or just not increasing NIL to where a player feels he should be. we have to be smart with the resources we have.
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Your points further reinforce what I am saying. The only way you need significantly more money is if you have more open spots for “higher level” players and I don’t see a bunch of spots opening. Plenty of examples of players who went into portal to find no spot, so could be a short list opting to leave even if there is a NIL reduction.

Plus having more money available doesn’t mean you get the players you need as I am certain there are academic criteria that have to be met and of course you have to have players that want to play for Richmond. In current state the program sure seems like a tough sell.
 
Kneepad McKinney said:
A required part of the job right now is to drive interest, and dollars, to the program. If you won't do it, get a GM that will so that you can only worry about calling the plays. Mooney won't do it, and won't get a GM, and therefore isn't doing the job.

He's living in the past. The D1 he wants to coach in no longer exists, and isn't coming back. Mooney should move to D3 if he only wants to do what he's currently doing.
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Exactly, any and every D1 coach needs to be actively promoting their programs at all times. Engaging students, fans, alumni, the media. Mooney does none of that. Heck, he doesn't even have social media pages of his own.
 
Kneepad McKinney said:
A required part of the job right now is to drive interest, and dollars, to the program. If you won't do it, get a GM that will so that you can only worry about calling the plays. Mooney won't do it, and won't get a GM, and therefore isn't doing the job.

He's living in the past. The D1 he wants to coach in no longer exists, and isn't coming back. Mooney should move to D3 if he only wants to do what he's currently doing.
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Exactly. Why UR is paying him over a million dollars a year to do maybe 1/3 of today’s job is beyond comprehension.
 
You could probably pick two top players off of VCU's team and combine their NIL earnings together and it would equal or surpass our programs entire budget. Comparing these two teams is like judging two chefs when one gets a stocked gourmet kitchen and the other gets a hot plate and a dollar menu. Same profession and same goals but wildly different budgets and realities. Any comparison that ignores that is missing the point but go ahead and get riled up because it's all Coach Mooney's fault that he is operating within these constraints as good as or better than anyone else could.
 
True, tell Chris we said hi. Guess what, I have seen other coaches get motivated and go out and beg for dollars. 2 to 3 years ago. And they were not buddies with a billionaire. So GTFO with this excuse. Again, the highest paid employee should be leading, not whining like a bit$%. But that's what he does, whine whine not lead.
 
SpiderTrue said:
You could probably pick two top players off of VCU's team and combine their NIL earnings together and it would equal or surpass our programs entire budget. Comparing these two teams is like judging two chefs when one gets a stocked gourmet kitchen and the other gets a hot plate and a dollar menu. Same profession and same goals but wildly different budgets and realities. Any comparison that ignores that is missing the point but go ahead and get riled up because it's all Coach Mooney's fault that he is operating within these constraints as good as or better than anyone else could.
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Mooney’s been getting his ass kicked for 21 years!
 
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