OT: Coaching Changes

Mooney won't fire an assistant. that would have to come from Hardt, like the way Memphis made Hardaway fire most of his staff. but Hardt's not that invested in our hoops program to force that.

and obviously nobody is looking to poach our assistants off 5-13, 5-13 seasons.
 
Urmite said:
And interesting he picked today. No yesterday or tomorrow.
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seems he took down the post - it was odd to thank the President and stuff for support right after the paragraph above ""Over the last 6 months, it has become clear that Campbell has made the decision to shift their commitment from basketball."".... there are no pathways that the institution will support to appropriately fund the program moving forward.""
 
I see it as there are too many teams that are operating at a D1 level that shouldn’t be. I get that there are separation of P4 from the rest as well, but there’s also a lot of teams that don’t have the budget, desire, or commitment to be operating D1 that are D1. There are around 360 D1 basketball teams in the country. Number should probably be closer to 300 in my opinion.
 
Spider17 said:
I see it as there are too many teams that are operating at a D1 level that shouldn’t be. I get that there are separation of P4 from the rest as well, but there’s also a lot of teams that don’t have the budget, desire, or commitment to be operating D1 that are D1. There are around 360 D1 basketball teams in the country. Number should probably be closer to 300 in my opinion.
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How do you determine the appropriate number of teams? The first thing there has to be is a definition of the requirements to participate. The NCAA hasn’t made any true adjustments even though there are new fiscal realities. The only new thing was whether a team decided to “opt in” on the settlement and schools had to do that without knowing exactly what they were agreeing to. It really is a joke and one day a reorganization will occur.
 
RichmondNative said:
How do you determine the appropriate number of teams? The first thing there has to be is a definition of the requirements to participate. The NCAA hasn’t made any true adjustments even though there are new fiscal realities. The only new thing was whether a team decided to “opt in” on the settlement and schools had to do that without knowing exactly what they were agreeing to. It really is a joke and one day a reorganization will occur.
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It’s hard for me to quantify it but the way I see it, is there are 3 levels. Level 1 are the colleges that are treating athletics like a professional sports team. Examples would be LSU or Ohio State and mostly all P4s. Level 2 are the colleges that take athletics very seriously, invest in it a lot, as they see its value in helping attract the best students and engage alumni and greater community. Aren’t quite at the amount of investment or media contracts as level 1. This is where I believe UR falls in. Then there’s level 3. These are schools that are struggling to meet student quotas or stay financially afloat. Attendance is decreasing. They aren’t in a position where there athletics can help their school image and they don’t have the funding to bump them up to level 2. They’re barely keeping their head above water. Queens University of Charlotte is an example who is going to merge with Elon. La Salle and Xavier are examples between level 2 and level 3. Schools that have recognizable athletics and are playing at a high level but otherwise are struggling as a school with enrollment and finances.

It’s one thing to have the discussion of P4 teams breaking apart and creating their own professional league. It’s another discussion about schools like Campbell or other D1 schools that probably shouldn’t be competing in division 1 sports. I can’t tell you for certain how many distinctly fall in level 3, but I’d think the sport would be better overall if there were fewer D1 programs than there are.

As an aside, we are very fortunate to be fans of a school that is a) very well off financially and b) having great enrollment and applications at record levels. If anything, I’d love for UR to increase the investment to be like a level 1B school. Would do wonders for our school reputation and image. We are seeing that now with increased NIL. Next step is getting a new coach who can use that NIL effectively.
 
Wow, I knew Xavier was having some money troubles, but I hadn't realized how bad their enrollment situation is. They peaked at 5,000 undergrads heading into COVID and are now down to 3,500. They've lost 1,000 undergrads in just the past two years and things aren't looking any better. They claim to be focusing on student retention, but that only goes so far when they aren't enrolling in the first place.

Current undergrad headcount by class:
Senior: 1,268
Junior: 992
Sophomore: 775
Freshman: 506
 
SFspidur said:
Wow, I knew Xavier was having some money troubles, but I hadn't realized how bad their enrollment situation is. They peaked at 5,000 undergrads heading into COVID and are now down to 3,500. They've lost 1,000 undergrads in just the past two years and things aren't looking any better. They claim to be focusing on student retention, but that only goes so far when they aren't enrolling in the first place.

Current undergrad headcount by class:
Senior: 1,268
Junior: 992
Sophomore: 775
Freshman: 506
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that's crazy - we toured it in 2023 for my class of '24 daughter and in general felt like the campus needed some major capital improvements but had no idea of those #s.
 
as someone not in this loop, where are the kids going to school?

if they are no longer attending college why is it hitting schools like Xavier? I'd have thought it would hit community colleges, and very obscure colleges. has that already happened and I missed it?

Do people forecast this as an ongoing trend or is this related to a specific set of kids (like a 4-6 year range) who were in middle/high school during Covid, had their habits permanently changed and now do their whole lives virtually?

I'm way out of my element here but genuinely curious.
 
College is also getting exorbitantly expensive. GW is going to have a COA of $98K next year. Now, most kids don’t pay nearly that much. But for many people, the idea of paying $200-300K for a degree over 4 years in a job market that is now requiring graduate level degrees for entry level positions, doesn’t seem as worth it as it used to anymore. Especially for colleges that aren’t academically well regarded. GW is a good school, but $98K good?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2038905146013306959
 
SFspidur said:
We are at the start of a sharp drop-off in students heading to college, as people held off having kids when the 2008 recession hit.

Northern kids are also flooding to the southern state flagships.
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Yep seems like everyone is looking at SEC schools now. Rich get richer.
 
SFspidur said:
Wow, I knew Xavier was having some money troubles, but I hadn't realized how bad their enrollment situation is. They peaked at 5,000 undergrads heading into COVID and are now down to 3,500. They've lost 1,000 undergrads in just the past two years and things aren't looking any better. They claim to be focusing on student retention, but that only goes so far when they aren't enrolling in the first place.

Current undergrad headcount by class:
Senior: 1,268
Junior: 992
Sophomore: 775
Freshman: 506
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I thought comparing Xavier to LaSalle seemed crazy, but both seem to be struggling as an institution.

And Xavier basketball seems to be very inconsistent since Chris Mack left.
 
brooklyn brownstone said:
as someone not in this loop, where are the kids going to school?

if they are no longer attending college why is it hitting schools like Xavier? I'd have thought it would hit community colleges, and very obscure colleges. has that already happened and I missed it?

Do people forecast this as an ongoing trend or is this related to a specific set of kids (like a 4-6 year range) who were in middle/high school during Covid, had their habits permanently changed and now do their whole lives virtually?

I'm way out of my element here but genuinely curious.
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Turns out you need more than a good basketball team to be an attractive school to students, The last 5 years have been very rough for higher education and many "obscure" schools have closed or struggled.
 
brooklyn brownstone said:
as someone not in this loop, where are the kids going to school?

if they are no longer attending college why is it hitting schools like Xavier? I'd have thought it would hit community colleges, and very obscure colleges. has that already happened and I missed it?

Do people forecast this as an ongoing trend or is this related to a specific set of kids (like a 4-6 year range) who were in middle/high school during Covid, had their habits permanently changed and now do their whole lives virtually?

I'm way out of my element here but genuinely curious.
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think community schools are doing pretty well actually - for instance at least in VA, kids can go to the VCCS schoolsfor 1 to 2 years and then if they do well, have transfers paths to Va tech etc ...
 
SFspidur said:
Wow, I knew Xavier was having some money troubles, but I hadn't realized how bad their enrollment situation is. They peaked at 5,000 undergrads heading into COVID and are now down to 3,500. They've lost 1,000 undergrads in just the past two years and things aren't looking any better. They claim to be focusing on student retention, but that only goes so far when they aren't enrolling in the first place.

Current undergrad headcount by class:
Senior: 1,268
Junior: 992
Sophomore: 775
Freshman: 506
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Wow indeed!
 
SFspidur said:
Wow, I knew Xavier was having some money troubles, but I hadn't realized how bad their enrollment situation is. They peaked at 5,000 undergrads heading into COVID and are now down to 3,500. They've lost 1,000 undergrads in just the past two years and things aren't looking any better. They claim to be focusing on student retention, but that only goes so far when they aren't enrolling in the first place.

Current undergrad headcount by class:
Senior: 1,268
Junior: 992
Sophomore: 775
Freshman: 506
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I guess this goes to show you that just having a good basketball program does not make the a sound institution. Never would have guessed Xavier would be struggling like this, but then again my sole knowledge of Xavier is of their basketball program.

And if they are at 3,500 enrollment right now that is pretty close to UR. So, UR could be seen as attractive to the Big East IMHO. Of course, we aren't because our basketball program is an absolute dumpster fire, but in terms of university fit, we could be there. I'd imagine our women's team would be attractive for the Big East. I'd also imagine they would love our Lacrosse team in the Big East. Sadly, that is a MBB focused league so they would take one look at Hardt/Mooney mickey mouse operation we have going and we are a hard pass at present.
 
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