spider_hoss
Bench player
Not surprising. P5s are NCAA or bust, and they're the loudest for either expanding the field or not letting non-P5s in.
A10 and Bracketology
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Urmite
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Gallipoli wonders why you can’t have two games on the same court at the same time…
Thanks. I had not seen this in my first review of the bracket.
ManiBenton
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We beat a NIT team. Hang the bannerWe have 5 teams in the NIT, Mason, Dayton, GWU, Davidson, and St. Joe's.
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Just another feather in the caps of Hardt and Mooney. Makes it an easier justification for Hardt giving us the early gift of bringing moon back next year
.PhillySpider
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Santa clara wasn't really on the bubble. Everyone seemed pretty sure they were getting in. I certainly Didn't mean that non-P5 only get one-at large - - I mean St. MArys is non P5 as well and they get at-large most every year and there are others. But I do believe when looking at the "real" bubble (say the last 3-4 in most years but it will be different every year), their won't be more than 1 non-P5 getting those spots. And I don't think the A-10 does themselves any favors by having their tournament on the last day because a lot of the committee's work is done and you upset the apple cart! And yes I see the 2024 example, so its not an absolute rule (and every committee is different)but I still think its a correct statement about the P5 generally taking care of their own. And no way were they taking another lower ranked (Net) non-P5 at-large over higher ranked (Net) P5 teams after dipping down to grab Miami(o)! No way to prove it either way but I firmly believe it!
And VCU this year is an example of how it plays out. Maybe they are slightly ahead of one or two others (P5's) in at-large bubble pool before A-10 final. If they win they are in as an AQ (and maybe seeded ahead of these others) but with a loss to lowly Dayton (sarcism intentional) and upon final review of their only now fully completed resume they slip just a little bit to behind said others. So no one ever has to say no way we are giving A-10 three bids- it just plays out that way at the end. And that's what would have happened this year! If they were clearly in (like Santa Clara), I don't think it happens but I think they needed to be really clearly in to have avoided this fate this year had they lost!
Meant to say 1-9 against A-10 NCAA or NIT teams. Changed it. So pathetic.Just another feather in the caps of Hardt and Mooney. Makes it an easier justification for Hardt giving us the early gift of bringing moon back next year
I knew what you meant when I originally read it. Horrible on Moon’s list of non accomplishments. However, when you see it in font, it just makes bringing him back more ridiculous. I know we’ve made hundreds of posts across multiple threads, but after 2 years in a row of 5-14 and after 21 years of slightly beyond avg, this would have been perfect timing to move on from him. No excuses from anyone will convince me differently. I’ve been watching Spider bb for many years and years before Moon became coach. He’s truly hung on way beyond his time and is coasting on the university’s dime. Not saying he doesn’t feel stress - maybe or maybe not. But for long time Spider fans, it’s time to give us a better and real chance. 3 more years of this is a long time to stomach.
sman
All A-10 player
I know it feels that way, but mostly because the power conferences do have the most talent so they get the most bids.
as far as taking care of each other, of course each power conference commissioner lobbies for teams in their conference. but I doubt the ACC commissioner is pulling for an SEC team to get the last bubble spot.
97spiderfan
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I still don't like the A-10 playing their tournament on Selection Sunday. Too many times have we heard this line that an at large worthy A-10 team playing in the A-10 final only gets in if they win the Auto bid. A-10 should move their championship game to Saturday in my opinion.
It does make you wonder. I am still amazed we only got a 12 seed when we won the A-10 tourney in 2011. It worked out for us, but we should have been a 9 at worse. Would we have even been in with a loss, or would they have just put Dayton at 12. Seems simple to just have 2 brackets ready and use one if Richmond ( with a much higher seed than 12) wins and a dfferent one if Dayton wins ( with us around a 9 seed, where we belonged).
Like this year. Was VCU really behind SMU? Or, were they just penciling in the A-10 champ as an 11 seed? Seems easy to put Dayton at 11 if they won, move VCU to play in, and boot SMU. But, who knows? Maybe they really did have VCU behind SMU.
MrTbone
All A-10 player
It entirely feels to me like you’d get a better viewership airing it on Saturday anyway.brooklyn brownstone
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Glad it’s becoming clear now - I got shot down with this point last month that the committee retroactively puts out a statement that is seemingly in contrast with accepted thoughts by the actual numbers analysts.
When we discussed the years UR was thought to have been on the bubble under Moon, I discounted the theory that Kendall’s last season was one of them, and put forward my belief that the committee propped us up only to show they were considering mid major teams and we were never on the bubble. A narrative if you will. We lost a QF A10 game that year and no one had us in first four out yet we were last team at cut line? I disagreed.
VCU this season - pretty much looked ahead of 2-3 other bubble teams but stated as a fact that they were out if they lost? Feels like a narrative as well - VCU is in already so they don’t care but it then justifies their other picks who are in.
Just a coincidence A10 has first team out in those years?
When we discussed the years UR was thought to have been on the bubble under Moon, I discounted the theory that Kendall’s last season was one of them, and put forward my belief that the committee propped us up only to show they were considering mid major teams and we were never on the bubble. A narrative if you will. We lost a QF A10 game that year and no one had us in first four out yet we were last team at cut line? I disagreed.
VCU this season - pretty much looked ahead of 2-3 other bubble teams but stated as a fact that they were out if they lost? Feels like a narrative as well - VCU is in already so they don’t care but it then justifies their other picks who are in.
Just a coincidence A10 has first team out in those years?
Eight Legger
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Honestly, that was what I was thinking of when I predicted no more than 2 A-10 teams would make it. Pretty sure it was that '11 season where someone said on air during the selection show that if we hadn't beaten Dayton in the title game, we were not in. I was stunned. And then to see that vcu got a bid that even they weren't expecting. It was insane.
MrTbone
All A-10 player
I do think creating a choose your own adventure second bracket isn’t as easy as it sounds. So many things they consider when it comes to regions and who played who already etc, that it becomes challenging if you want to do justice to all those factors for multiple brackets. Then you have to consider that it may not be just two scenarios, could be multiple.
We can avoid all this by not putting ourselves at a disadvantage as a conference and move our final to Saturday.
Spider17
All A-10 player
I get that but Sunday 1 pm on CBS is an incredible slot exposure wise for the league. I doubt they will want to mess with that on the hope of potentially changing the committees mind on the occasional fringe A10 bubble team.
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